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I'm almost too scared to ask....what's Brown's Gas

1. yes
2. no no no no no yes but by then it was to big and complecated

Originally Posted by clean32

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]you have to have some where to store that gas as production will never be inline with demand

urm, wouldnt that be the same as saying "the entropic losses means you cant make enough gas to meet the power requirments?" which could also be costrued as "you cant make it work in a mobile application"

none of the other problems mentioned are serious problems... just cases for well designed pumbing and taknage.

but I digress....

you're not adding it to the fuel, its not a petrol engine we're talking about its a diesel. its being done to get the fire going in the piston prior to the diesel turning up. the same principle as PRIME injection (which the tdi 300 has anyway) and lpg gas fumigation.

at the end of the day, even in the miniscule amounts that you need to make that work you dont beat the entropy of the system the extra power needed to make the browns gas is still more than the additional power you get from the browns gas doing its bit in the combustion chamber.

its like saying "by doing this your engine will make make an additional 2hp but you need 3hp of power to make it work" you can debunk the greenies as well in reality their version of "it makes your engines emmissions 10% cleaner" is easily rebutted with "it makes the engine 10% cleaner but it needs to burn 12% more fuel to do the same amount of work" (the percentages in that statement are just for example and not actual figures) so its making 2% more emissions than it was before"


Browns gas is the generic name for 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen thats just waiting for a spark to turn it all into water. Its also roughly known as coal gas.

Originally Posted by midal

I'm almost too scared to ask....what's Brown's Gas

It's what comes before you "follow through".

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

urm, wouldnt that be the same as saying "the entropic losses means you cant make enough gas to meet the power requirments?" which could also be costrued as "you cant make it work in a mobile application".

uumm no that is not what i am saying, but then to say the sum is greater than the 2 parts is not correct either but what we are saying is that the efficiency of the burn is improved which out weighs the energy consumed to produe the gas in the first place

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

none of the other problems mentioned are serious problems... just cases for well designed pumbing and taknage. .

True but then you are starting to look at some reasonably complex control systems

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

but I digress....

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

you're not adding it to the fuel, its not a petrol engine we're talking about its a diesel. its being done to get the fire going in the piston prior to the diesel turning up. the same principle as PRIME injection (which the tdi 300 has anyway) and lpg gas fumigation. .

sorry wrong, the gas is in such a week concentration that concentration alone will not ignite it, but for a better understanding look up how oil is cracked and how hydrogen is added and why. its basically the same reaction.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

at the end of the day, even in the miniscule amounts that you need to make that work you dont beat the entropy of the system the extra power needed to make the browns gas is still more than the additional power you get from the browns gas doing its bit in the combustion chamber.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

its like saying "by doing this your engine will make make an additional 2hp but you need 3hp of power to make it work" you can debunk the greenies as well in reality their version of "it makes your engines emmissions 10% cleaner" is easily rebutted with "it makes the engine 10% cleaner but it needs to burn 12% more fuel to do the same amount of work" (the percentages in that statement are just for example and not actual figures) so its making 2% more emissions than it was before".

As I wrote above this is not the case. It would be if you viewed the gas as an additional fuel but in practice it is not, much better to look at it as a fuel additive, may help in getting your head around it.
as for the greenies NO emotions are reduced

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Browns gas is the generic name for 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen thats just waiting for a spark to turn it all into water. Its also roughly known as coal gas.

actually its not, browns gas displays quite different properties to simple HHO. That is why is is called browns gas as a process discovered by Yull brown. It is not Yull browns prosses that is used in these internet systems. Although these internet systems seem to call all gas made from water electrolyses Browns Gas. lol add a bit of salt to the water and you will get chlorine, try running that though your motor.

Originally Posted by midal

I'm almost too scared to ask....what's Brown's Gas

Oxyhydrogen is often mentioned in conjunction with devices that claim to operate a vehicle using water as a fuel, or that burn the gas in torches for welding and cutting at outlandish temperatures, sometimes under the name "Brown's Gas" after fraudster Yull Brown who advocated such devices, or "HHO gas" after the claims of fringe physicistRuggero Santilli.

Obviously well thought of.

Originally Posted by p38arover

Obviously well thought of.

LOL yes i forgot about that. Yull Brown did invent a new way of electronically splitting water into hydrogen and water, from memory he used a metal oxide in the water. The gas this produced was a bit different to what is normally produced when using electrolysis. the fraud bit cam in when he tried to get investors to back him in producing a system where an internal combustion motor would run on his gas while being produced by a generator being powered by the same motor. This is where many people get stuck when talking about browns gas. on the good side he didn’t rip to many people of and as it turn out his new way of producing his new gas was quite efficient not only was it a rather cheaper way of producing gas ( electrolysis) but the gas burnt with a theoretical no upper limit to temperature. it also has become the main method of producing Heavy water

as opposed to using sodium in the water to produce gas, this is hh0 but not browns gas. Burns slower and needs more electricity to produce.

I am very skeptical of all these devices. BUT one day I got a fitch for about $450. I put it on my 2.5L diesel and got an instant 7% economy gain. I ran it several months. Being a skeptic of the unit I took it off and my records showed the 7% went away. After about a month I put it on again and got the 7% back. Anyway ACA did a test with the fitch and also got 7%. I think this was pure coincidence as I doubt all cars would give exactly 7%.

Anyway I will probably get another one, but its not worth doing unless your engine is running well, good injectors, filters, fluids, pump tuned etc.

I dont know how the fitch works but the guy who I got it off was a uni lecturer in chemistry and said it breaks large carbon chains into smaller ones making the fuel more volatile. Makes some sense as I have left petrol in a container for a long time and found the smaller chains over a few months evaporate away leaving the longer less volatile ones. The result is your ride on mower wont start on it because the fuel wont explode easily, its sort of part way to becoming more like diesel. Perhaps the fitch makes the diesel closer to petrol.