Thread: Puma... What else can it leak!

let it out brother,

I know from my own posts they are not fun to read, but they do help deal with the reality many Defer owners are experiencing.

Maybe I'm out of line bingeing a new owner, but these cars are hard to own.
They must be the only vehicle on the market that does what it does to it's owners, % wise of sales, but I am guessing.
I didn't really like the sound of having to be an "enthusiast" to own one. In my mind enthusiasts are odd people who put up with heaps because they are strangely attached to something, and in our case mass produced, so they are not even rare.
But it looks like I am becoming one of those enthusiast. In the past weeks I have thought about all sorts of ways to get ride if my Defer, but after that I come to a conclusion what would I buy. And I'm back to square one.
So I think Scollops has hit the nail on the head. If you have dealer who's good well that's great, but otherwise finding a business who's as enthusiastic about Defenders as the owners is a positive step forward.

The LR assist tow truck drivers have a check sheet for damage. A bit like the ones you get with a hire car. Maybe produce your own to the dealer, he signs off whats dints and marks exist, and pays for any new ones.

Hows that for odd.

Had to "beg" Land Rover assist to come and pick it up. No way am I driving it with oil pouring out everywhere. As a special "once off" favour they took it to the dealer that is also going to do the other warranty work, the last of the three dealers. I ****ing hate how they talk down to you, "As a special favour to you we'll do this extra deal and get it to your dealer".....

Oh I should be so grateful, the bastards are taking it back to fix it....

My next quote will be " As a special favour to you, you can ram the chance of any new Land Rover sales to me for EVER up your arses."

The poor Aussie dealerships are probably also sick of selling brand new lemons to people, only to see them keep coming back with problem after problem that should not have happened in the first place. They are probably battling head office to get reimbursed for their parts and labour.

They should be hammering land rover australia, in turn hammering who ever is above them.

Anyways, the customer is always right. You are spending tens of thousands on their product. You should also get a courtesy car each time your car is in getting fixed under warranty. Do you? It is an absolute pain to keep asking your wife/husband/friend to follow you to the dealership........

I love the look of the defenders, and would love to buy one. But god after following this forum for a couple of years it seems like they sell 4 lemons to 1 good one.

Originally Posted by newhue

let it out brother,

I know from my own posts they are not fun to read, but they do help deal with the reality many Defer owners are experiencing.

Maybe I'm out of line bingeing a new owner, but these cars are hard to own.
They must be the only vehicle on the market that does what it does to it's owners, % wise of sales, but I am guessing.
I didn't really like the sound of having to be an "enthusiast" to own one. In my mind enthusiasts are odd people who put up with heaps because they are strangely attached to something, and in our case mass produced, so they are not even rare.
But it looks like I am becoming one of those enthusiast. In the past weeks I have thought about all sorts of ways to get ride if my Defer, but after that I come to a conclusion what would I buy. And I'm back to square one.
So I think Scollops has hit the nail on the head. If you have dealer who's good well that's great, but otherwise finding a business who's as enthusiastic about Defenders as the owners is a positive step forward.

The LR assist tow truck drivers have a check sheet for damage. A bit like the ones you get with a hire car. Maybe produce your own to the dealer, he signs off whats dints and marks exist, and pays for any new ones.

Hows that for odd.

I hear what you're saying.

I have had some magnificent moments in my interlude with the Defender.

In the end, it simply did not reflect it's heritage nor it's "near indestructible" credentials. I felt betrayed for my dedication and loyalty.

The rate of component failures, and shortcomings as a vehicle built in todays world, did not in any logical way justify the financial outlay that was necessary to keep this car safe and drivable..

When I traded the car in to the dealers, I wanted to pass on all the reciepts to a potential future owner, so I tried to put them all into the service folder.....they would not fit.....

Originally Posted by BilboBoggles

So my Puma has been leaking rusty water into the foot wells since new, been back to be fixed several times, still leaking, actually now it pours water onto the drivers knee as you go round roundabouts or break, so both passenger and driver get a free wash!. (Although the front passenger gets the free red rust treatment as well.)

This morning the Vacuum pump decided to turn the engine bay, front of bonnet and guards black with engine oil. Also noticed when looking underneath that the transfer case seems a bit oil damp...

Interestingly I greased the prop shafts under my 180,000km TD5 over the weekend and it's bone dry all over under there, and it's not leaking water......

Puma - 40,000k's old....

I have similar issues with water leaks in my 2009 PUMA from day one - the dealer keeps testing with a high pressure spray and seems convinced it comes through the brackets for the 'screen hinges'. The problem actually comes from slow rain (ie when you park the car and it sits in the rain). There is a long seal that runs under the windscreen channel and it leaks from there - the seal is actually a spongey material and seems to absorb water and has very little pressure in its cavity to maintain a seal. The water leaks behind the dash and over the brake pedals, onto knees, etc.
I am currently trying to convince the dealer with some photographic evidence of this. Don't know the cure, but a good silicon seal might be the go.

Just a note for those of you that are having a lot of warranty work done on you PUMA's. I heard the other day that if the item you purchased needs to go back for repairs more that 5 times you are entitled to ask for it to be replaced.
Apparently its a consumer affairs thing and applies to anything new.

Dan.

I have a tube cut perfict for sealing up defender windows.. works perfict.. i used to put a beed down then try tidy it up.. and we all no wat silicone is like.. so i.cut this tube so its a perfict fit and one beed down and thats it.. looks factory( witch i guess isent hard)

Originally Posted by wovenrovings

Just a note for those of you that are having a lot of warranty work done on you PUMA's. I heard the other day that if the item you purchased needs to go back for repairs more that 5 times you are entitled to ask for it to be replaced.
Apparently its a consumer affairs thing and applies to anything new.

Dan.

So once it's been back 5 times for warranty issues they will give me a new Puma


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