Just "Defender" or bad quality?

**NOZ** · 7th January 2011, 10:16 AM

I all, I have just read the 9 pages here (well most of it) as I am considering buying a Puma soon.

I agree the dealer should be able to cover any issue with any newish Land Rover.

Now I have had a TD5 110 (just sold it) and another forum member "RAT" has a (TD5 110, 2006 I think), both of us have used MR Automotive to maintain our Defenders in fact we would take it to them if we thought the cars had any issue, they would tell us what the problem was and we would take it to L/R and get them to fix it.

Not the right way for things to happen I agree, but M.R are fantastic they know Land Rovers and in particular Defender's inside and out. I know "Rat" took he 2006 Defender to M.R just before the warranty ran out and they gave the car a once over and then gave him a list to have L/R cover before the warranty ran out.

This was common for both our Defenders, if we thought something was wrong we would go to L/R get fobbed off then go to M.R find out the real issue then go back to L/R and have it fixed under warranty.

Defender's ya gotta love them.

Give M.R a try

**rovercare** · 7th January 2011, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by pathfinder

your average passenger car gearbox is designed with helical cut gears to ensure nice smoooooth gearchanges........problem with this design is it ain't too strong. 'Straight-cut' gears are inherently much stronger, look at the gear setup on heavy duty winches or turret gears on a tank, or tboxes on older trucks............all square cut.
Yes they clunk and graunch, but with the minimum of care they'll last forever.

Originally Posted by chops110

He says that an amount of play in the drivine is typical to allow for field servicing in less than ideal conditions, however this should not be excessive.

Nice little world

A small amount of slop can be attributed to being constant 4WD, the rest is a combination of bad metallurgy or engineering, i.e. worn drive flanges

Good luck finding any straight cut gears in a LR drivetrain and it has nothing to do with being designed for any "service"

They haven't been "truck" gearboxes since the 4 speed, everything later has been sourced from road cars and haven't been "truck" diff's since they removed the salisbury

No offence gentlemen, but I wouldn't keep telling yourselves the above, or else you might actually believe it

**Scouse** · 7th January 2011, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by rovercare

They haven't been "truck" gearboxes since the 4 speed, everything later has been sourced from road cars

I came across this today for the first time in relation to the current Defender gearbox:

Transmission:6 SPD MAN TRANS VOLVO M66 AWD

That's from the TOPIx site.

**rovercare** · 7th January 2011, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Scouse

I came across this today for the first time in relation to the current Defender gearbox:

Transmission:6 SPD MAN TRANS VOLVO M66 AWD

That's from the TOPIx site.

The M66 is fitted to a transaxle AWD ovlov, so maybe same box but in different case? either way, its far from a truck or a tractor crash box with straight cut gears

**Naks** · 7th January 2011, 05:10 PM

The Puma gearbox is the Getrag MT82, which is also fitted to the Mustang and other Ford vehicles.

**Naks** · 7th January 2011, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Scouse

I came across this today for the first time in relation to the current Defender gearbox: Transmission:6 SPD MAN TRANS VOLVO M66 AWD That's from the TOPIx site.

Not sure how you get that from the Topix site. When I plug in my VIN, I get the following:

Series:3 DOOR STATION WAGON
Engine:2.4L DOHC HPCR DSL 140PS PUMA
Drive:4 WHL R/H FULL TIME DRIVE
Transmission:6 SPD MAN TRANS-MT82
CAB style:STATION WAGON 3 DR
Colour:ALASKA WHITE

**Scouse** · 7th January 2011, 06:45 PM

I hadn't come across it before which is why I thought it was odd.

I was using Dullbird's VIN to double check some details before a warranty claim went in.

Didge · 7th January 2011, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by mudder110

hi.all.im.new.here.hope.ya.dont.mind.me.commenting .i.work.and.play.in.the
gulf.of.carpentaria.just.did.12.weeks.at.doomadge.
i.would.not.touch.anything.with.direct.injecton.as .they.are.much.more.likely.to.cause
problems.when.touring.my.98.110.tdi.has.never.miss ed.a.beat.270000ks
but.there.have.been.probs.with.direct.i.have.seen. one.with.a.puma
and.is.looking.to.be.expensive.but.the.most.seem.t o.be.with.the.new.cruisers
and.nissans.ya.can.google.it.and.read.it.for.yours elves.defender.owners.are
i.think.enthuists.unfourtantly.alluminum.and.steel .dont.mix
but.in.saying.that.i.dont.wait.5000ks.to.check.thi ngs.out.i.enjoy.the.hands.on
deal.with.my.110.as.for.electrics.maybe.landrover. need.to.pick.there.act.up
if.i.was.gunna.spend.60grand.on.a.new.truck.woulda nt.be.a.puma.
but.they.are.still.on.par.with.anything.jap.in.doo madge.the.cops.and.the
ambos.take.turns.pulling.each.other.out.of.the.gre gory.river.crossing
as.the.cruisers.alternators.are.to.low.and.dont.ev en.wanna.start.me.on.the.
starter.motors.cheers.all.and.happy.new.year.sorry .about.all.the.stops.space.bar.broken

That was funniy Mudder, a funny explanation at the end

Didge · 7th January 2011, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Naks

The Puma gearbox is the Getrag MT82, which is also fitted to the Mustang and other Ford vehicles.

Getrag to mop up the oil??

**chops110** · 8th January 2011, 06:31 AM

So the latest on mine...took her to LR with a list of things to repair (after having had the once over from my local mechanic) and they did a good job on the transfer box, gave me a fob off on gearbox noise, but took the rear driveline slop seriously and have decided to replace the entire rear diff innards. 2-1 to me this round, need to do more research on gearbox noises so might go looking for a technical forum on the gertrag box.
Good conversation on this thread too, it's a good read!

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