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  1. 13th April 2011, 05:50 PM #1
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    Anti stall, does it exist on a td5?

    Hey guys,
    I'll give you all a quick history on my vehicle, a 2000 Td5 130.
    I bought it second hand a few months ago out of the paper and have used it as a daily driver, work horse and general tourer.

    I did a trip up north in it doing some pretty serious 4wding without any issues at all, partly due to the fack that i could idle up even the most steep rock faces, sand dunes and just hills in general, without the vehicle stalling, just digging into the ground if it became too steep.

    Unfortunately, I managed to blow the transfer case to kingdom come, so I got Kevin at Rovertech to fix it for me as he's donethe work on that vehicle for years by the previous owner. The job was done to a very high standard and for a good price of which I'm very happy with, except for one thing that I havent been able to solve...

    The vehicle doesn't want to do the same climbs etc. while idling anymore as it simply stalls when the going gets tough. I queried Kevin about it and he told me that the Td5 hasnt gt antistall feature as it doesnt have ABS or traction control. He also said the reason it may have climbed better before the work was done was because the previous air filter was blocked up which may have made the car run richer and able to do it.

    My question is, do the Td5's have antistall, and if so, how does it work ect. and how do you know if it's connected by a wire or whatever... Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is the first car that I have owned that was built after 1970!

    Cheers...
    Matt
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  2. 13th April 2011, 06:18 PM #2
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskool View Post
    My question is, do the Td5's have antistall,
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    No.
    To an extent Yes, but its no where near as good as the later Puma. If you touch the throttle at all it cuts it off assuming you know better.

    It basically seems to my knoweledge to try and keep it at the idle revs.

    The lack of ABS/ETC is irrelevant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psimpson7 View Post
    To an extent Yes, but its no where near as good as the later Puma. If you touch the throttle at all it cuts it off assuming you know better.

    It basically seems to my knoweledge to try and keep it at the idle revs.

    The lack of ABS/ETC is irrelevant
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    It does, but only in 1st gear low box. Then as Pete says, as soon as you touch the loud pedal it cuts out. I know that to be the case for 2002 onwards, but cant remember what my pre-2002 TD5s had / didnt have.

    Likewise for ABS & Traction control. 2002 onwards, some do, some dont, repending on spec. Mine does as its a 2006 XS

    If yours has traction control you should see the yellow TC light come on when you set off and speed is below 8kph, or when it actually starts working for real. Mine flashes on and off all the time when the going gets tough.
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  6. 13th April 2011, 07:17 PM #6
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    well, if that is the case that it does have it, is there a wire or something that goes to the transfer box?

    Otherwise it just may not have it installed...
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  7. 13th April 2011, 07:55 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskool View Post
    well, if that is the case that it does have it, is there a wire or something that goes to the transfer box?

    Otherwise it just may not have it installed...
    There is a switch that detects hi-lo
    Check it's ok and not broken from fatigue or just fallen off.

    Nanocom is handy to avoid climbing underneath!
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    yes, its called the govenor... All diesels have it even the oldest mechanically injected units like the 1960's 2.25lDiesel that you find in series II+III landrovers...

    F1 cars have antistall....

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUZJVY-sHo]YouTube - Richard Hammond drives F1 Renault R25 car at Silverstone - Top Gear - BBC Autos[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    yes, its called the govenor... All diesels have it even the oldest mechanically injected units like the 1960's 2.25lDiesel that you find in series II+III landrovers...
    I wasn't aware that the govenor of a mechanically injected diesel would sense the road speed, clutch actuation, and throttle position, to actively increase the idle speed of an engine by 150 - 200rpm to aid driving in difficult terrain.
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    thats Idle jack... or more commonly known as High Idle . A concept thats been around since a thing called a hand throttle.

    A torque sensing govenor doesnt need to sense any of those other things to adjust the engine speed to suit the load it just works off of the torque delivery of the engine and adjusts the fueling to suit. Most commonly found on stationary hydraulic plant diesel engines and utilizes the pump pressure/flow rate to manipulate the rack.

    perhaps a review of the functions of a governor is in order...

    I think the most basic one is "to maintain an engines power output (speed) under varying conditions of load" thats what stops it from stalling...
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