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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post

    I won't recount the bodgy way to reset springs and no, it doesn't involve cutting as all that does is increase the spring rate.
    Oxy torch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon View Post
    Oxy torch?
    Kitchen oven

    It's what Production car racers used to do to lower the suspension on cars in years past when they weren't allowed to 'change' springs.
    Not recommended for the road though, as the spring will continue to sag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by landrovermick View Post
    From Hotfrog

    Stagline
    Lot 199 Abel St, Boyup Brook, WA 6244
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    p: (08) 9765 1402
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    apparently they are !
    Cheers Mick.

    I had found that one but there's no White Pages listing for them ?

    I should just ring that number, eh.

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    theres a place in the UK that does lowering kits for landies, advertises in the LRO international, cant think of their name at the mome, PM me if you want
    ade

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    Land Rover Tuning <www.landrovertuning.com.au> are advertising a set of 4 "suspension lowering" coil springs at $1,750 (seee New Products link)
    landroverwa

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    In Queensland the legislation states you can only lower the vehicle 1/3 of it manufactured hieght, Quote ffrom the QT

    "Lowering or raising of vehicles
    The road clearance of a fully laden vehicle must not be
    less than 100mm measured at any part of the vehicle
    other than the wheel rim or brake backing plates.
    (This does not apply where a lesser clearance has been
    specified by the manufacturer.)
    When lowering or raising a vehicle body (front or rear),
    the following additional restrictions are based on the
    manufacturer's dimensions for the standard unmodified
    vehicle while unladen:
    • The ride height measured between the rubber bump
    stop and the corresponding metal stop may be reduced
    by no more than one third.
    • The rebound travel measured between the rubber
    rebound stop and the corresponding metal stop
    (or the extension of the shock absorber for vehicles
    without a rebound stop) may be reduced by no
    more than one third.
    Queensland Transport,

    I have included a link to the booklet.

    http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/c7..._vehicles2.pdf

    You are not allowed to cut or heat and press the springs to reduce the hieght as this would effect the design of the vehicle when stopping, I know in the UK there are companies that do lower springs and race 90's, however looking at 20-30mm I believe you should be okay. Legal.

    There is an Australian company heres there link if it helps,

    http://www.landrovertuning.com.au/sh...-defender.html

    hope this helps,

    cheers Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2234jones View Post
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    You are not allowed to cut or heat and press the springs to reduce the hieght as this would effect the design of the vehicle when stopping,

    [snip]
    cheers Mark
    But a spring maker is allowed to reset springs.

    You aren't changing the rate, only the free length/loaded heights.

    FWIW a Defender runs approx. 65mm or so between the bump stops so 30mm is OK as per the rules in most states.

    IMO $1750 for four coils is nuts.
    Any of the Aussie spring manufacturers can wind custom springs for a lot less than that.

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    Yep, $1750 is too expensive for coils. Speak to Dobinsons or someone like that.

    Also, look at changing or modifying the bumpstops if you want to increase the base measurement for reducing ride height by 1/3. ie, to get it down lower. Check nothing hits, though it shouldn't be a problem on the non-Isuzu ones.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    But a spring maker is allowed to reset springs.

    You aren't changing the rate, only the free length/loaded heights.

    But would the springs need to be assessed by say the QT or qualified engineer, or do they do that yourselves, for instance as you're changing the original design of the spring (if you're cutting or stretching the spring). Sorry if I sound a bit dumb

    cheers Mark

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    A suspension place will do whatever you pay them to do and are required to ensure that their product is fit for service within the specification they were made to.

    so IF you rolled up with said deefer and told them you want a set of springs made that retain the same spring rate but are XXmm shorter in their free length then thats what they'll do and when you fit them your deefer will sit at nominal height -XXmm. If they dont then you can go back to the suspension shop and complain.

    The legal obligations of the application are yours.

    (lets just for this thread stipulate that the bump clearance is 90mm and that the bump stops are 60mm long)

    so when you fit you -XXmm free length springs if your bump clearance is more than 60mm then you are legal, but only just (you can only reduce bump clearance by 1/3 of normal height) any spring sag will have you being illegal.

    if that clearance came down to 30mm then you're illegal, when you get pulled over by the cops and get red stickered for them the defence of "but thats what the spring place sold me" wont hold water.

    if you get clever and fit the same springs but bump stops that are only 30mm long (giving you back the 60mm clearance required) you're still done because you are not using the OEM stops.


    IF you want to go ahead and legalise the extra short springs then you need to go and get the vehicle re-engineered, once thats happened then then its all legal again.
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