Thread: Best Engine Oil For Puma

Originally Posted by P38ace

My friendly dealer however still recommends 12,000 km oil change intervals. Why? Is it just habit, does he need the business, or is it because he may not use the correct oil.

I change the oil every 10,000km and after every long trip. This is mainly due to the poor quality diesel we have in South Africa - unless you are in a major city, it is very hard to find 50ppm diesel.

Originally Posted by Naks

I change the oil every 10,000km and after every long trip. This is mainly due to the poor quality diesel we have in South Africa - unless you are in a major city, it is very hard to find 50ppm diesel.

Probably wise, although as I've mentioned in other posts we used to go 20,000km easily in a TD42T on 500ppm sulphur fuel with a fully synthetic oil that had a TBN of around 12 (10.5 litre sump)

Interestingly 15,000km was the limit in a Tdi, 17,500km was a stretch too far, the oil didn't look very flash at all after testing.

While the TDi is direct injected vs indirect for the Nissan it appeared to me a decent sump capacity and a not as hard working engine made life much easier for the oil moreso than the sulphur level if it starts out with a decent TBN. (and TBN never dropped much, even with the 500ppm fuel)

and thanks to Naks pointing out that the Edge Professional above is a WSS-M2C-934-B spec oil which is for the V6/V8 engines, not the four cylinder, even though Castrol claim it for the 2.4l in their spec sheet.

There are some other oils that meet the WSS-M2C-934-B spec here in Oz, eg Mobil Super FE Special 5W-30, Caltex Havoline Energy 5W-30 and Shell Helix HX7 AF 5W-30, but whether they've been updated to the 'C' specification you wouldn't know unless checking on the drum or ask the oil company.
I had a number of Delvac 1 drums years ago that only listed the CI-4 spec while the spec sheet listed CI-4+.
Stock sits around for a while in small markets.
Liqui-Moly have an appropriate oil, but I don't think it's widely available here but a phone call would ascertain that pretty quickly.

Naks, we've had this same discussion before DIY oil change on a PUMA - Don't use just any old oil

I keep suggesting to the girls in the local nursing home to start preparing a room for me, I didn't remember a single post

Originally Posted by P38ace

There are many thousands of opinions to be found on the internet on "the best oil" for whatever. Myself I prefer to use what the vehicle manufacturer recommends and ignore all the technobabble and even advice from the oil company representatives who are often just reading from an application guide and know little of the subject.

In my Australian handbook LR (the COMPANY, not the dealer) state Ford WSS-M2C-913C so that is what I use. Whether it's perfect for Australian conditions or not is not my concern, nor can I ascertain what may constitute a better product given the infinite variables and alternatives. So for peace of mind manufacturer’s spec it is, and it must state compliance on the tin.

Finding Ford WSS-M2C-913C in Australia was the problem. Commonly known as ‘Formula F’ in Europe, Ford Australia don’t sell it. Neither did my dealer.

I searched for months and eventually found Castrol Magnatec A5 Professional 5W-30. Note that it is A5 in Australia, not A1. I would add that even the Castrol helpdesk that I spoke to did not reveal its existence but it is out there if you know what to ask for.

So here it is, the Puma 'Holy Grail', maybe that should be 'holy oil', made specifically to meet the Ford spec.

I have come across an oil supplier In western Sydney, the Green Goanna, who sell a whole range of oils - Castrol, Shell, Mobil. .... and have just ordered a 20l drom of the Castrol Magnatec Professional A5 5W30 for $250, which was more than $50 less than the next quote. They will also sell a 3 x 5 litre pack of Shell Helix HX7 AF 5W30 (fully synthetic) for $180, about the same price and keep this Shell oil on the shelf.



Green Goanna | The Oil Specialist

Erich

Rehashing an oldie but a goodie.

I rang Castrol technical today regarding Tdci 2.4lt engine oil requirements. I was told Edge Professional C1 5W-30 was the correct oil. I said I had a drum of below Magnatec Professional A5 5W-30 and he said that would do for a 2.2lt, but not the 2.4lt.

His advice was "the 2.4 requires the C1 rating to cope with the Catalytic converter, other wise it soots it up and causes problems. However the 2.2 can use both Magnatec or Edge professional oils." Go figure because it has a CAT as well.

Upon reading this thread again I wondered if service agents who use various oils incorrectly, could be responsible for some of the EGR valve failings with the Tdci. Not sure if I'm on the right track however.

I also noticed in my owners manual, the specification is WSS-M2C913-B, not the C on the Magnatec drum pictured in this thread. Weather thats makes any difference I have no idea.

I purchased a 20lt drum of the Magnatec for $291, but have returned it for the Edge which is a whopping $350. Make sure you choose wisely or be happy with what you bought. Castrol charge a restocking fee if incorrectly ordered.

Originally Posted by newhue

His advice was the 2.4 requires the C1 rating to cope with the Catalytic converter, other wise it soots it up and causes problems. However the 2.2 can use both Magnatec or Edge professional olis. Go figure because it has a CAT as well.

I call horse manure!

I also noticed in my owners manual, the specification is WSS-M2C913-B, not the C on the Magnatec drum pictured in this thread. Weather thats makes any difference I have no idea.

913C supersedes and is backwards compatible with 913B, so you should use that

All the stealers in South Africa use only the Castrol Magnatec A5 for the Puma. LRSA has a deal with Castol NOT to sell it to individuals, not even in bulk. You have to buy it from the stealer at the ridiculous price of ZAR119/L! As soon as mine is out of warranty, I'm dumping Castrol for the 913C spec Liqui-Moly

I just called Landrover Service dep ,I asked what they use , the came back with Mobil 1 0W-40

http://www.mobil1.com.au/products/product_0W40.aspx

I asked if I use the castrol brand and his reply was "if you like" but thats what we use in all the Defenders .

[quote=rick130;1563893]and thanks to Naks pointing out that the Edge Professional above is a WSS-M2C-934-B spec oil which is for the V6/V8 engines, not the four cylinder, even though Castrol claim it for the 2.4l in their spec sheet.

There are some other oils that meet the WSS-M2C-934-B spec here in Oz, eg Mobil Super FE Special 5W-30, Caltex Havoline Energy 5W-30 and Shell Helix HX7 AF 5W-30, but whether they've been updated to the 'C' )




Hi Rick, I have been following this thread with interest (although I have a td5)
and regularly see 5 or 10w/30 recommended but I have always steered clear of the 30 because I understood this to mean a max ambient of 40 degrees and we are quite often driving in plus 40 up here for prolonged periods.


Have I misunderstood this spec or should I be looking at ?w/40 or above as I have been doing?
I assume this applies to the Puma's as well.

Cheers,
Paul.