Thread: Defender V's Hilux

Originally Posted by jakeslouw

Once again I fail to understand the arguments against the TDV6 2.7 in the Defender.

I would hope that the correct answer would be...

engine access and simplicity.

I can (and have) rebuilt a 2.25, tdi200, isuzu 4bd1) with the engine in situ, you just cant do that with a V anything engine in the engine bay. Im pretty sure that I could nut out a way of doing it to the td5 (Ive had the head off, sump off and the stiffner plate out) and by the look of the schematic layout of the ford engine and having worked on them out of transit vans I reckon I can do that too. but a v6? nahh.

In reality Its more to do with cost and capacity. the eruopomgolians havbe a tax break for both cylinder count and engine capacity, 6 cost more than 4 and 2.7 costs more than 2.5

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

I would hope that the correct answer would be...

engine access and simplicity.

I can (and have) rebuilt a 2.25, tdi200, isuzu 4bd1) with the engine in situ, you just cant do that with a V anything engine in the engine bay. Im pretty sure that I could nut out a way of doing it to the td5 (Ive had the head off, sump off and the stiffner plate out) and by the look of the schematic layout of the ford engine and having worked on them out of transit vans I reckon I can do that too. but a v6? nahh.

In reality Its more to do with cost and capacity. the eruopomgolians havbe a tax break for both cylinder count and engine capacity, 6 cost more than 4 and 2.7 costs more than 2.5

Engine access: OK, granted on that, but if I was rebuilding an engine, I'd strip it on a bench anyway. Too many chances of muck getting into the sump while in situ, IMHO.

Cost and capacity: So LR UK holds the rest of the world hostage based on Euro tax breaks? Why not 2 engine options like other manufacturers, so that we can CHOOSE? Bloody Nazis is what I say.

Rover don't sell that many Defenders in Australia though do they? Maybe the motor's too small?

The Defender has been sold with V8s for years (not in Oz) so a TDV6 should similarly fit.

I'm convinced the ideal engine for a Deefer has no more than 4 cylinders, no less than 3.9 litres and must be a direct injected oil burner with an inline IP with forced induction

Originally Posted by 2stroke

Rover don't sell that many Defenders in Australia though do they? Maybe the motor's too small?

I personally think that is definitly part of it....If they had something in 3.2 lts or more and 500+nm that would put alot more bums in seats....of coarse this would mean they would have to address the gearbox and axle assemblies. (maybe the new getrag is fianlly a decent gearbox?) a good option (once again IMO) would be a 9 inch central sprial bevel, with pinion support, min 30 spline axles, swivel balls, nissan gu size cvs and some bigger brakes...100% must be full floating. housing should be rover type not dana type.

@ Uninformed: friggin spot-on mate. Nissan is selling V9X TDV6 Pathies and Navaras by the thousand for that reason, and all the guys over here are crying for ute's with a decent motor.

@ Lotz-A-Landies: exactly. It's NOT a space issue.

@2stroke: yeah, exactly what I'm getting at. If the bloody Poms and Euro Nazis want a small little diesel, let 'em have it. But Tata should PLEASE bring out a MAN'S engine for the Defender!

Just think of a 130 crew cab with a slightly detuned TDV6 (so you can run 500ppm diesel in Africa), and Patrol axles......then the option of a 6-speed manual box or 5-speed electronic auto. Duck's guts, I tell you.

Originally Posted by uninformed

a good option (once again IMO) would be a 9 inch central sprial bevel, with pinion support, min 30 spline axles, swivel balls, nissan gu size cvs and some bigger brakes...100% must be full floating. housing should be rover type not dana type.

Like these:

Ashcroft Transmissions - Force 9 Axle

If only these were standard fit