130 tubed wheels / tubeless tyres?

**Lotz-A-Landies** · 23rd February 2012, 10:21 PM

O.K found the image series (and you know that I dont have much of an interest in 130 rims).

I no longer have any of the rims so can not measure, suffice to say that the rim does indeed say 6 1/2 L X 16 20.6 and if the outside bead seat is only 2 1/2" the axle pad doesn't need to be very far outboard to make a 20.6 mm +ve offest.

Given the rim diagramme is not accurate, its been deleted until a new fact checked diagramme is prepared.

**123rover50** · 24th February 2012, 06:21 AM

People talk of good quality tubes but no brand names.
Lets have some examples especially in 900 x 19.
I cant find thick tubes any more only thin crap that gets pinched under the bead.
Keith

**pjlhat** · 27th February 2012, 02:42 PM

[QUOTE=danialan;1634139]Getting back to The Couch's original question....

I have run 130 tube type rims with tubeless tyres for the last 200,000km.

Having read the whole thread I am still unsure if there is a danger or legal reason not to fit a tubless tyre, without a tube, to the rim of a 1998 130? I have done this a couple of times due to frustration from poor quality tubes, but have always been concerned that I might roll a tyre off when trying to avoide an accident or loosing control myself. And from a legal point of view what might be the concequences.
From your post Alan I take it you would always use tubes and seek out quality tubes giving them a good coat of powder. Thanks for your comments.
Peter

**Lotz-A-Landies** · 27th February 2012, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by 123rover50

People talk of good quality tubes but no brand names.
Lets have some examples especially in 900 x 19.
I cant find thick tubes any more only thin crap that gets pinched under the bead.
Keith

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

...
Tubed tyres are a rare commodity these days so the only answers are to either use the tyres tubless on the standard rim or use a good quality (either Michelin or Bridgestone) tube with the tubeless tyre.
...

Don't know about them doing 9.00 X 19

Be aware that another factor not mentioned before when using tube rims tubeless, is that riveted rims are more likely to leak than welded rims and as such, riveted rims SHOULD NOT BE USED TUBELESS

**PAT303** · 27th February 2012, 06:03 PM

[quote=pjlhat;1636168]

Originally Posted by danialan

Getting back to The Couch's original question....

Originally Posted by danialan

I have run 130 tube type rims with tubeless tyres for the last 200,000km.

Having read the whole thread I am still unsure if there is a danger or legal reason not to fit a tubless tyre, without a tube, to the rim of a 1998 130? I have done this a couple of times due to frustration from poor quality tubes, but have always been concerned that I might roll a tyre off when trying to avoide an accident or loosing control myself. And from a legal point of view what might be the concequences.
From your post Alan I take it you would always use tubes and seek out quality tubes giving them a good coat of powder. Thanks for your comments.
Peter

Mate,I have run tubeless tyres on tubed LR rims for 15 years and haven't had a puncture in I don't know how long,just run tubeless and be happy. Pat

**Wolfman_TWP** · 28th February 2012, 03:37 PM

I'm surprised that I saw that only one person mentioned, that there are two types of defender rims. Ones that are riveted, and ones that are welded.

I was told that you can't put tubeless tyres on the riveted type, due to them leaking from the rivets. The welded ones, no problems. Hence the reason why the Series land rovers all have tubes. They are all riveted. I purchased a set of 5 defender rims recently. And found that 4 are riveted and one is welded. I will still be putting on tubed tyres on them, to make sure they don't leak. (By that I mean the welded one as well)

Wolf

2stroke · 28th February 2012, 03:48 PM

I've had my 300 Tdi 130 for about 10 years now and in many beach, bush and desert trips I've run the 6.5" rims both with and without tubes. Only time I ever got flat tyres was with tubes in. Always when loaded and deflated (below 30psi) for sand, always on the rear. Have 16 x 8 King rims with 255 85/16s now, tubeless, only issue was some mud squeezed between the bead and rim and caused a slow leak, easy fix with tyre pliers but probably wouldn't have happened if I was still using the 6.5"s.

**goingbush** · 3rd May 2012, 10:57 AM

Im running 130 tubed rims with bfg 235/85r16 , without tubes !!

funny thing happened on Monday,
I pulled up to a job site & parked on the grass ,
Job done pack gear back into trailer & go to drive off to find its a bit hard, maybe I'm in the wrong gear, so make sure I'm in 1st & give it a few herbs & its like a wheel is chocked --- I've got a flat.
I think to myself - oh crap , just what I need.

get out to find the tyre is completely unbeaded, whats more the Valve stem is completely missing - WHAT THE !!

Have a good look around and I can't find it anywhere, Bizzarre !!

Normally I would spray WD40 in there & use the old flame trick to pop the beads back on but I took it to the local tyre bloke as I didn't have any 16mm valve stems, He said its not uncommon - but could not explain how it happens - For the life of me I can't pull a Tubeless valve out thru the hole even with multi grips - how the hell could it happen !!!

Anyway my advice to y'all is order yourself some 16mm valve stems to put in your toolkit, normal car stems don't fit as they are too skinny.
$5.00 for a pack of 10
eBay Landrover tubeless Valve Stems

**DeanoH** · 3rd May 2012, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by rick130

[edit] everytime I see that face peering back at me I crack up

You know, never even noticed till I read this !!!!!!!

Smart as a whip me!!

Deano

**DeanoH** · 3rd May 2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by 123rover50

People talk of good quality tubes but no brand names.
Lets have some examples especially in 900 x 19.
I cant find thick tubes any more only thin crap that gets pinched under the bead.
Keith

If you mean in 900 R16's or 255/100 R16's Michelin make the best (thickest) tubes, though tractor types may also be available which may be even thicker. Dunlop in my experience come a close second (don't know about Bridgestone Dianna), with the cheapy Korean types coming a distant last. Only good for the kids swiming in the dam IMO. Similiarly if your'e using split rims, Michelin's rust/sweat bands are heaps thicker than the rest. They might cost more but they are NOT more expensive, all things considered.

Deano

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