Thread: Traction control

As long as you don't get the electronics wet, there is actually very little that will immobilise you. Logging codes is mostly the car "tattle taling" to the dealer as to what you did with and to it...

To add a bit to all this, I would not really be concerned with the TC perfomance ( although I am interested in how good it is ) because I would be fitting diff locks. They work most of the time and dont rely on the vehicles electronics.

I would not be deterred in travelling anywhere in a new Defender if the only diagnostic tool I had was a multimeter.
But it would be a warm and fuzzy feeling if at the same time I had on board a diagnostic tool so that I would not need to invite a dealer along
to reset something, eh.

In the last fifty years I have owned six Landrovers, my current twenty year old Disco being the most modern. In the scrub I have always been able to patch them up to keep them going. Nothing major has broken because I am careful about how I approach stuff and always maintain the vehicle to a high level.
But these new fangled electronic gizmo's worry me about how easy they can immobilise a vehice and the need for diagnostic tools to reset something.
Getting my head around it because the Bro has a P38 which I am involved in maintaining.
When I get my new Defender I will feel much better if I have said diagnostic capability on board.

Cheers.

Robert.

PS: Am I being over cautious ? I dont think so.
Been hard pressed many times but havent done a perish yet.

Originally Posted by olbod

To add a bit to all this, I would not really be concerned with the TC perfomance ( although I am interested in how good it is ) because I would be fitting diff locks. They work most of the time and dont rely on the vehicles electronics.

I would not be deterred in travelling anywhere in a new Defender if the only diagnostic tool I had was a multimeter.
But it would be a warm and fuzzy feeling if at the same time I had on board a diagnostic tool so that I would not need to invite a dealer along
to reset something, eh.

In the last fifty years I have owned six Landrovers, my current twenty year old Disco being the most modern. In the scrub I have always been able to patch them up to keep them going. Nothing major has broken because I am careful about how I approach stuff and always maintain the vehicle to a high level.
But these new fangled electronic gizmo's worry me about how easy they can immobilise a vehice and the need for diagnostic tools to reset something.
Getting my head around it because the Bro has a P38 which I am involved in maintaining.
When I get my new Defender I will feel much better if I have said diagnostic capability on board.

Cheers.

Robert.

PS: Am I being over cautious ? I dont think so.
Been hard pressed many times but havent done a perish yet.

A lot has to go wrong with a new defender for it to disable itself. Nearly all the on engine sensors have a dafault setting if they fail. The only real show stoppers are the throttle pedal sensor and the crank angle sensor, (even if this fails the engine will keep running on the cam angle sensor). I personally have a faultmate extreme, I purchased this because it covers all the systems on my 110, (and to carry out the pilot correction learning - @LR, the engine has to be warm before you can do this correctly!), however I'd look closely at the Nanocom Evo now it's available.

The only big problem I can see with the electronics is that the ABS and Alarm ECU's are under the seat where the run the risk of being flooded. However these can be moved up and under the center cubby box.

I was going to fit diff locks to my 110, but I haven't bothered because the traction control is so good, even in the soft WA sand. The other problem with fitting lockers is LR will void your entire drive train warranty.

Cheers,

Originally Posted by olbod

In the last fifty years I have owned six Landrovers, my current twenty year old Disco being the most modern. In the scrub I have always been able to patch them up to keep them going. Nothing major has broken because I am careful about how I approach stuff and always maintain the vehicle to a high level.
But these new fangled electronic gizmo's worry me about how easy they can immobilise a vehice and the need for diagnostic tools to reset something.


PS: Am I being over cautious ? I dont think so.
Been hard pressed many times but havent done a perish yet.

The electronic gizmos as a general statement are just the reporting mechanisms - the actual fault will generally be something mechanical (npt true 100% of the time). Rarely will "electronic" faults stop you in a Puma (maybe different in a RRS or D3/4 where suspension come into it with silly programming).

I really think you are worrying about nothing on a Puma.

Garry

I'v unplugged every sensor & electrical connection from the TD5 just to see what happens & what I need to carry as a spare, The only single thing that stopped the show was the Crank Sensor , A cheap easy to replace $30 part.

The Defender was able start & drive with everything else hanging off, save for both temp sensors. The water sensor on the front is the same as the fuel temp sensor on the back, It will run fine with one off, but not both.

So all you need to carry are a Cheap as Crank Sensor and equally cheap Temp sensor (incase the both fail)

Originally Posted by goingbush

I'v unplugged every sensor & electrical connection from the TD5 just to see what happens & what I need to carry as a spare, The only single thing that stopped the show was the Crank Sensor , A cheap easy to replace $30 part.

The Defender was able start & drive with everything else hanging off, save for both temp sensors. The water sensor on the front is the same as the fuel temp sensor on the back, It will run fine with one off, but not both.

So all you need to carry are a Cheap as Crank Sensor and equally cheap Temp sensor (incase the both fail)

I think you missed the computer and injector loom???

Originally Posted by isuzurover

I think you missed the computer and injector loom???

And the fuel pump.

I remember reading a post from someone who did a creek crossing and got the little black box (very technical terminology I know)above the accelerator pedal wet and that was a show stopper.