Thread: TD5 or PUMA? The perpetual question!

For sure there has been a problem with the rear diff's, but where did you get all the other stuff from?? (You forgot the vac pump btw ) But to condemn an entire vehicle because of that is a bit unreasonable, if that was the case nobody should buy a TD5 because of the oil pump bolt/fuel pump/plastic dowels/oil in the injector loom problems.

I imagine we will all get to argue about this further in a couple of weeks when this topic comes up again. In the mean time I'll be enjoying my Defender, (which must have a problem as it's still on it's original diff after 60k km's). I have nothing against the TD5 and if funds allowed I would have one as a second vehicle, (my current 110 is a work vehicle and must be under 5 years old).

Cheers,

The problem with the TdCi or Puma or whatever you want to call it is not the Engine or Gearbox, but I reckon its the way it has been mounted.

The new Defenders seem to have Propshaft / UJ / front diff - TC bearing / Vibration issues because Im guessing the taller engine is mounted higher at the front to make clearance for the sump, (which is also why there is a lump in the bonnet)

Because the engine is higher at the front and Transfer case is at its regular position the front drive flange points up slightly , herein lies the problem with the TdCi the front uni / props / bearings flog out especially if you raise the suspension. This is why many are retrofitted with Hookes / DC prop shafts.

I am extremely happy with my TD5 but if the worst was to happen and it HAD to be replaced I would buy a New Defender but I would fit a DC front propshaft & definitely not raise the suspension

Originally Posted by goingbush

The problem with the TdCi or Puma or whatever you want to call it is not the Engine or Gearbox, but I reckon its the way it has been mounted.

The new Defenders seem to have Propshaft / UJ / front diff - TC bearing / Vibration issues because Im guessing the taller engine is mounted higher at the front to make clearance for the sump, (which is also why there is a lump in the bonnet)

Because the engine is higher at the front and Transfer case is at its regular position the front drive flange points up slightly , herein lies the problem with the TdCi the front uni / props / bearings flog out especially if you raise the suspension. This is why many are retrofitted with Hookes / DC prop shafts.

Big deal...whoo hoo

It is $650 dollar fix, and 7 dayes delivery for Baily-Morris for an extreme D/C front prop shaft and your whole rave is done.....

so how much for to fix - the oil pump bolt/fuel pump/plastic dowels/oil in the injector loom.

Keep in fair or dont bother

Originally Posted by TimNZ

For sure there has been a problem with the rear diff's, but where did you get all the other stuff from?? (You forgot the vac pump btw ) But to condemn an entire vehicle because of that is a bit unreasonable, if that was the case nobody should buy a TD5 because of the oil pump bolt/fuel pump/plastic dowels/oil in the injector loom problems.

I imagine we will all get to argue about this further in a couple of weeks when this topic comes up again. In the mean time I'll be enjoying my Defender, (which must have a problem as it's still on it's original diff after 60k km's). I have nothing against the TD5 and if funds allowed I would have one as a second vehicle, (my current 110 is a work vehicle and must be under 5 years old).

Cheers,

where did I say, or do you get that I am condeming an entire vehicle....your defensivness seems alittle odd

Originally Posted by Drover

Big deal...whoo hoo

It is $650 dollar fix, and 7 dayes delivery for Baily-Morris for an extreme D/C front prop shaft and your whole rave is done.....

so how much for to fix - the oil pump bolt/fuel pump/plastic dowels/oil in the injector loom.

Keep in fair or dont bother

another example of a backward step....the gearbox is better for sure. The engine is great so far....lets see some Km on them. Now the higher bigger engine and gear box mass has rasied the COG....and since the 300tdi has been moved forward which isnt great either

Originally Posted by uninformed

where did I say, or do you get that I am condeming an entire vehicle....your defensivness seems alittle odd

I'm defensive, because like other TDCi owners, I'm sick of being told by members of this forum that I have brought a piece of crap. I get enough of this greif from owners of other makes in the real world.

Cheers,

Originally Posted by TimNZ

I'm defensive, because like other TDCi owners, I'm sick of being told by members of this forum that I have brought a piece of crap. I get enough of this greif from owners of other makes in the real world.

Cheers,

once again, where did I say its a peice of crap.....im sorry i dont sugar coat things and blow wind up peoples butts. It has its good and bad, just like every LR made. Its just a shame they cant keep improving alone.

should you really care what others think....if so you certainly bought the wrong brand

Originally Posted by Drover

Big deal...whoo hoo

It is $650 dollar fix, and 7 dayes delivery for Baily-Morris for an extreme D/C front prop shaft and your whole rave is done.....

so how much for to fix - the oil pump bolt/fuel pump/plastic dowels/oil in the injector loom.

Keep in fair or dont bother

Thats a bit precious mate - a case of being your own worst enemy . No wonder PUMA drivers don't wave back to TD5 owners !!
Meybe you should read my post again without so much bias.

Your Bloody Right Mate, Ive done the Oil bolt ($50) & loom ($100) on the TD5 too,

As well as fitting a eaton Truetrac front & rear
Heavy duty axles & drive flanges
Heavy Duty Trailing arms

All of which I'd need to do on a New Defender too.