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Thread: 110 heavy duty ute - 4be or just a truck?

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    oh yeah - I have a property at Carpenters Rocks so have done Canunda, Little Dip, Robe, Coorong plus plenty of sand around Lake Eyre North, areas off the Strez and Birdsville tracks and heaps more - all on tubed tyres, heavy loaded, safe as houses aired down to 18psi for the worst stuff. Never had to be recovered or snatched. So my experience is you can safely air down tubed tyres to 18psi - I have not had to go lower so can't comment on lower pressures. Some Tojos on a recent trip aired down to 12psi but that was on tubeless........

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    Who reads and sticks to what is on a piece of paper ?

    FWIW the recommended pressures are 65psi in the rear tyres, all conditions, but who on earth would run that in an unladen vehicle at any time if they had half a brain ?

    I have a 130 which has exactly that rear suspension setup and I've never run the factory 'recommended' tyre pressures, even with over one tonne in the tray and I initially had 7:50/16 Michelin XZL's (and the same pressures are recommended for 235/85/16's too)

    Hell, most of the time my 130 tares at 3000kg without the driver and I only have 41psi in the back tyres for highway use, but they are 255/85's but aren't ten ply tyres either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gq skyline View Post
    Yes, I've just done a trip in a 2.5 year old 110 with double coils and factory fitted tubed Michelin . Called the heavy duty pack. Any thoughts on its ability in sand with handbook recommended tyre pressures, or better still experience?
    Yes I realise what the heavy duty pack is for a 110 Defender,it is identical suspension to what is standard on the 130.As far as the wheels and tyres go,you can choose the wheels you like from Land Rovers range as part of the pack.And as I stated,tyre pressure is no different in defender to any other vehicle,it is all relavent to load and terrain.Back in the 70's it wasn't uncommon to drop tyre pressures down to 15-16psi on the sand with tubed tyres,so why would it be any different now?
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    Hey, I enjoy visiting sa, coorong's looking good now,love those barrages. Want to do googs track and of course Simpson again. Bugger about no fires there soon. SA's got some great outback. Don't know if my nearves could do robe again ! Sea and sand( mainly sea! ) can be scary!

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    Really Factory fitted tubed tyres??? are you sure about? that because I'm not. You sure your mate never fitted them himself....even if the heavy duty pack came with wolf rims I would still expect the wolfs to be tubeless
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    Quote Originally Posted by dullbird View Post
    Really Factory fitted tubed tyres??? are you sure about? that because I'm not. You sure your mate never fitted them himself....even if the heavy duty pack came with wolf rims I would still expect the wolfs to be tubeless
    Mine and most that I've seen are tubed Lou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gq skyline View Post
    ...........Don't know if my nearves could do robe again ! Sea and sand( mainly sea! ) can be scary!
    What's so scary about Robe ? I've run about 10 club trips from Carpenter Rocks to Robe and you can easily do it without having to drive in the water, and there's nothing else that I would call scary, unless you're doing something stupid or Irresponsible.
    We've had many Countys and Defenders on the trip over the years and all have handled the sand well with the appropriate tyre pressures and all types of tyres including standard 750/16's, tubed or tubeless.
    I've never taken any notice of 'recommended' tyre pressures, and I'm pretty sure if you did a 4WD training course they wouldn't tell you your tyres should generally be on 65psi, but the appropriate pressure for the load, terrain and speed you're doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowRanger View Post


    Yes I realise what the heavy duty pack is for a 110 Defender,it is identical suspension to what is standard on the 130.As far as the wheels and tyres go,you can choose the wheels you like from Land Rovers range as part of the pack.And as I stated,tyre pressure is no different in defender to any other vehicle,it is all relavent to load and terrain.Back in the 70's it wasn't uncommon to drop tyre pressures down to 15-16psi on the sand with tubed tyres,so why would it be any different now?
    I've wondered about that, I never had tube problems with tubed tyres at 16 to 18 psi back in the '80s either. Nowadays a flat tyre is the inevitable result of any faster work while loaded and lower than 25 on my gauge. A little time spent changing a rubbed through tube on a windy arvo on the QAA convinced me to go 255s on tubeless 8" rims. I've put it down to they don't make tubes like they used to.

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    Gq Skyline, you've gone about asking the question in a very indirect way.

    I can't comment on the suspension pack, but it will be irrelevant to the tyre pressures in sand. I've been with tube tyred Defenders in very soft sand at Robe with pressures of 16psi without issue. The vehicles struggled with 18-20spi got through with 16psi, just as an indicator of how soft the sand was.

    Obviously avoid the low pressure at highway speeds.

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    As I see it there are four disadvantages in running tubed tyres at low pressures (as opposed to tubeless).

    The first is that it is possible to spin the tyre on the rim thereby either a/. ripping the tyre valve extension off or b/. sucking the tyre valve extension into the tyre thereby making it very difficult to inflate/deflate etc.

    The second is that it is easy to 'pinch' the tube between the rim and the tyre putting a hole in it.

    The third is that most modern tyres are not smooth on the inside (like old style tubeless tyres) and the tube becomes abraded and worn through on the rough inner surface of the tyre as the tube and tyre move in relation to each other.

    The fourth is that most tubes now are cheap and made in Korea out of very thin rubber which makes them prone to failure.
    Quality thick tubes are available (at a cost) from Michelin or for 7.50X16's from your local John Deere dealer.

    The upside with tubed tyres is that when used on split rims are quick and easy (compared to tubeless tyres) to change/fix without specialised tools.

    IMO for most applications a tubeless tyre/rim combo is a much better bet.

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