Thread: Puma, 5 cyl 3.2 Tdci

Wow! Sounds awesome... might have to start saving now for it in about 5 years time though Anyone know how much? I didn't see the cost in the post on Defender2.

I wonder how the torque of this engine, plus the 65 or so - 1 low 1st ratio will go with regards to axle and cv strength.....and then the imfamous P38 type rear........

Originally Posted by uninformed

Thanks

See i know this bloke that has a 2.8 and he had to get some bits and...oh...

The other Id like to see, and maybe more readily available sooner is the v6 diesel used in the ford teritory's

Arent these the 2.7v6 Land-ford-rover engine

I was going to say what about space width wise being a TDV6, but there used to be a 90* V8 in the Deefer engine bay once upon a time.

if it wasnt for dreaming I wouldnt have a life

Aah, grasshopper, all life is but a dream, nothing is real....

The TDV6 is significantly shorter and narrower than the Rover V8.

BAS and/or Nene did a 4.0 V8 to TDV6 conversion in a Discovery 2 and there was space to spare.

So putting a TDV6 into a defender SHOULD be a no-brainer.

If you use an electronic or semi-electronic auto box that can handle the torque, then no issues.

Once again: nobody can tell me why Land Rover refuses to provide this as an option. Apart from pig-headedness.

Originally Posted by jakeslouw

The TDV6 is significantly shorter and narrower than the Rover V8.

BAS and/or Nene did a 4.0 V8 to TDV6 conversion in a Discovery 2 and there was space to spare.

So putting a TDV6 into a defender SHOULD be a no-brainer.

If you use an electronic or semi-electronic auto box that can handle the torque, then no issues.

Once again: nobody can tell me why Land Rover refuses to provide this as an option. Apart from pig-headedness.

Jake, LR biggest market for the Defender is Europe, and alot of those countries have a big tax increase on vehicle with engine displacment over 2.5ltr.

While I dont have a problem with this, LR should have another engine option for the ROW....but they dont really care about the Defender that much. This is a a shame, as at this time, we are leading into a movemnet where there will be NO vehicle ANY brand that will be what it COULD be.

I had a look at the new VW Amarack last weekend. From the outside looks like a great build Qual. with a decnet chassis.....now if they would only make it live axle front rear, coil all round etc....

LR could do so much better with the concept of the Def. That is a seperate chassis and body, live axle....IF done right/well it would kill it in the industrial/commerical and doemstic sectors AND build the Old ICON base that once was the Old Series LRs....

@UNINFORMED

No arguments, mate, but I just think that Europe is the biggest market BECAUSE the Defender is AIMED at that market.

Look how Jeep has continually upgraded and modernized the Wrangler WITHOUT destroying the essential essence of the brand!

It now has airbags, a brilliant factory sound system, and a brilliant dash, BUT you can still get it in diesel OR petrol, auto OR manual, and you can still rip off the doors and roof with little effort and drive it as a doorless soft-top.

If LR had said "right, let's see what can be done on a budget" we could get more engine and gearbox options in the ROW and hence higher sales.

If LR could just penetrate the American market alone with the Defender variants, they'd NEVER have a revenue problem. Let alone the sales in Africa and Australia where we've been crying for a better Defender for years.

And the 2.5L tax issue is for COMMERCIAL vehicles only: so sell the Defender in an entry level commercial spec with less than 2.5L DCi engine, for the utility market, and then offer the higher spec with TDV6/8 and a V6 petrol, auto AND manual.

ALL THESE OPTIONS are available out of the LR parts box.

No sorry, once again, **** poor foresight from LR marketing and R&D departments.
And yes, they COULD do so much better with the Defender Concept: some newer styling, better ergos, safety compliance, and various engine/gearbox options but as you said: ladder chassis and riveted body just like it is today, just newer, just fresher.

im happy with the body styling....you cant get as much room in a sphere as you can a cube the short bonnet and driving position is great...the fit and finsh is horrible. The use of aluminium for the body is great...the corrosion protection on the steel is junk.

How can a vehicle built in a country that rains so much leak???

Im sure with modern computer modeling, a full alu body could be made, with removable pannels. keep the ladder frame chassis in steel. Better seats, better internal layout and finish, but the base model still has to be hoseable....

I agree with what you have said. I think the problem may be, that the histroy of LR shows, they like to lead the way in technology...even coil springs and disc brakes were mordern tech once....and with that, they see no future in this vehicle, but rather the new concept elctro gizmo machine.....it does suck this may be there view

from what i can gather is that each individual vehicle MAY have to meet the euro emission standards but landrovers full scale operations probably looks at the overall total emissions count for the company...as someone previously said they cant have the old defender that looks "unappealing" to most have more power/features/options than the disco or rangie so they give the defender one option and thats it!! which so happens to be smaller and smaller motors for the same size car (2.5-2.4-2.2)which they claim is to meet pollution laws (other criteria would also need to be met too but what that is i have no idea)..

BUT wait a sec the disco motor was 2.7td then went to 3.0td same said for the range rovers 3.6td to 4.4td why can they up the capacity at one end of the market but not the other? i say its to meet an average %....

personally i dislike the small motors being in a car with such a mass...the defender is more aimed at the UK market which after 1hr driving your probably crossed 2 states (ive never been there so thats an unrealistic figure) over here we expect to tow heavy loads long distances (1hr driving is a trip to work) dusty conditions, hot climate all expected by the same little motors that are in the UK....i look at the toyota/nissan 4.2 inline6's designed by the japanese but aimed at the australian market do big klm's with ease in the australian conditions....however i am not saying Europe make rubbish i personally like there engineering but they dont take into consideration our conditions on this dry continent.