Traction control is NO substitute for a Locker. Ha!

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Originally Posted by Scouse

It's one of those tracks that can change each time you go up it, depending on who's been stuck & chewed out a new section.

Here it is a few years ago in the wet with HT tyres in my "double unlocked" RR:

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PNxwEW2IrU

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Scouse,

Great vid, I like the camera angle.

If everyone is thinking that track is like that now - Wrong. Scouse your camera would be squashed if you drove that now, the section where I was stuck I was a foot or under away from the sides you just could not see from where my vid was taken, it is badly rutted out one long rut where I was, not just a dip. It's not a walk in the park like that anymore.

Loved the vid though and your others. Cheers.

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Just to think if you had driven the section of track the first time like you did the last we would not have had all this great discussion, video clips and offers of trips.

Lockers particularly air lockers are simple and easy to work out what is going on. I have them on the 300tdi. On the Td5 I don't have lockers and have been very happy with the TC. Every system has it's limits, TC on the front axle would better than a locked diff as far as steering goes.

I think some of the basics stay the same though, having a spare set of eyes to help you prevent getting hooked up on the diffs and help you put the wheels places you can't see one your on top of them would have to be one that could help us all.

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Originally Posted by ruxton

Scouse, thats great, Do you have a photo showing how the camera is mounted?.

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I use one of these:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Wood's Powr-Grip Co., Inc. | 3" Suction Cup Camera Mount

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Originally Posted by Babs

Scouse,

Great vid, I like the camera angle.

If everyone is thinking that track is like that now - Wrong. Scouse your camera would be squashed if you drove that now, the section where I was stuck I was a foot or under away from the sides you just could not see from where my vid was taken, it is badly rutted out one long rut where I was, not just a dip. It's not a walk in the park like that anymore.

Loved the vid though and your others. Cheers.

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and I bet you any moeny you like scouse would still drive it double unlocked:D

the mans car is a hover craft.......T/C and lockers is no substitute for a good driver which he is:)..

you gunna come out scott if we go? it been a long time

Are you going to put a trip up Lou? I should be getting mine back on the 18th so will be keen to get out.....

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Originally Posted by Bush65

Momentum doesn't cause wheelspin :o

Torque in excess of the available traction (tractive effort) causes wheelspin, i.e. on low traction surfaces less torque can be applied if you want to avoid wheelspin.

And sufficient momentum is your friend by letting you proceed with less torque applied when traction deminishes.

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G'day Bush65

Point taken and you are technically correct and perhaps I should have worded it better.

With greater speed and momentum you tend to plough into the sand when ever there is an elevation in the sand surface. Think of a bump on the beach at low speed you simply go over the bump and at high speed you go through the bump due to your momentum and the inertia of the car to continue in the same direction. It is going through the bump that digs the tyres in and leads to you being in the sand instead of on top of it. If you go through the bump with your momentum you then have to climb over the pile of sand you have pushed forward. In soft wheel ruts with speed it is difficult to get out of them due to the ploughing effect yet at slow speed you can ride up and over. All a matter of balance.

This was my observations and perhaps not applicable in all scenarios and as I said a little counter intuitive to what I was expecting. Yet I found I could idle up the same tracks where I had previously used momentum and lots of wresting to get there. There is obviously a point where you will need a bit of momentum but my point is it is not that often in my limited experience.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Babs

Scouse,

Great vid, I like the camera angle.

If everyone is thinking that track is like that now - Wrong. Scouse your camera would be squashed if you drove that now, the section where I was stuck I was a foot or under away from the sides you just could not see from where my vid was taken, it is badly rutted out one long rut where I was, not just a dip. It's not a walk in the park like that anymore.

Loved the vid though and your others. Cheers.

Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

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Hey babs have a look at this thread from a forum trip a 18 months ago, same track, it was wet and slipery. There are photos and videos and you can see how the different trucks (nearly all unlocked apart from Lowranger, BrendanM and George) handled the track......

I think there were two pumas with TC and then a couple of non TC defenders.

Now the track has got worse in the last year but I would argue the wet conditions balance things out. Every truck made it up there even the ones without TC at all, they just had more fun......

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/nsw-act-re...june-19th.html

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Originally Posted by Bush65

Momentum doesn't cause wheelspin :o

Torque in excess of the available traction (tractive effort) causes wheelspin, i.e. on low traction surfaces less torque can be applied if you want to avoid wheelspin.

And sufficient momentum is your friend by letting you proceed with less torque applied when traction deminishes.

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The reason the old 2.25's were such a good offroad engine IMHO,enough power to get you through but not too much as to cause wheelspin. Pat

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Originally Posted by chook73

Are you going to put a trip up Lou? I should be getting mine back on the 18th so will be keen to get out.....

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I should be in Sydney on 13-19 Jan if anything is being organised :)

Have any of you Sydney members heard of Heart Break Ridge at Bowral?,you might give the Hornsby or Bowral clubs an email and find out how to get there,thats if you want a HARD track. Pat