Traction control is NO substitute for a Locker. Ha!

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Babs, Before you go and take more driving lessons you need to practice a couple of wheel placement activities

1. can hitting.
Find a large empty car park and chuck some empty cans around it then spend a couple of hours hitting the cans with the tyres then once they are all nice and flat practice stopping with the tyres on the cans
2. Cross angling.
Practice driving the vehicle diagonally across kerbs so that the 2 diagonally opposite wheels go from kerb to ground (and vice versa) at the same time do this for both directions.

did you want a description of how the TC works or have you got an idea about it now?

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:) can hitting. Funny. Sounds like good practice but I can't see myself doing that, besides it won't take that long to get to know my vehicle off road, and if I go with you guys or a club there will be experienced spotters to tell me where to put my wheels or what they are doing.

If you could give me more of a run down on the TC it would be appreciated. My knowledge so far is it brakes the opposing wheel the wheel not under load and sends power to the loaded wheel with ground contact. Which is why I was confused when it did not turn my front drivers side. What I have gathered from your previous comments is maybe that wheel had excessive load too excessive for the TC to perform???

If you could help out on a run down on how it performs and it's capabilities/limits it would be appreciated by me and others as there is a few people who would benefit from your info. Cheers. :)

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Don't know why but I have a theory about traction,I've been around awhile and can remember being out Bathurst way with the Sydney LR club when both a defender,the bloke with the JIL plates and another guy with a twin locked D1 both got stuck in a large ditch,my turn came and my mighty 2.25ltre series 3 SWB drove through like it wasn't there,open rover diffed with 7.50x16 tyres.I've owned quite a few different vehicles with different traction aids and trailed with many more and I honestly believe either of my series SWB's would do them all in all but the most demanding conditions,in the two years I've been in Newman I've seen a twin locked cruiser get humbled by a rodeo,a 200 series get humiliated by a stock D1 and my mates rubicon didn't do well at all against my TDCi.Such is the way the wheel turns. Pat

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I know the man, I'd bet he just stuck it in there for a bit of fun and to try it out. Great fellow.

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Originally Posted by nugge t

I know this is a TC vs lockers threads but I think the bigger issue with TC is in soft sand or mud where I find it very frustrating in when the engine is revving and there is no forward momentum. On Moreton recently this occured to the point where the clutch started slipping so either the TC is too good or the clutch is not good enough!

I don't want to dig holes but sometimes you just need a bit of forward momentum.

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Probably need to drop your tyre pressures. When they are right the TC basically does not much.

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Originally Posted by newhue

Babs,
Inside popped around yesterday and we put his Freelander through the ditch outside my house. It was cross axed with about 400mm of air under both wheels. Initially it sat there, but once it worked out what was in order, the traction took over and he drove out slow and steady with 0 wheel spin. It took maybe 2 or 3 seconds of steady low revs for it to get organised. I know for me sitting in a car for 2 or 3 seconds doing that would seem like eternity unless you were expecting it.
maybe something to keep in mind with learning the TC curve.

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Point taken, I suppose this is where the antistall comes in, I love that antistall feature. :)

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Stick it to her mate!

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Babs

:) can hitting. Funny. Sounds like good practice but I can't see myself doing that, besides it won't take that long to get to know my vehicle off road, and if I go with you guys or a club there will be experienced spotters to tell me where to put my wheels or what they are doing.

If you could give me more of a run down on the TC it would be appreciated. My knowledge so far is it brakes the opposing wheel the wheel not under load and sends power to the loaded wheel with ground contact. Which is why I was confused when it did not turn my front drivers side. What I have gathered from your previous comments is maybe that wheel had excessive load too excessive for the TC to perform???

If you could help out on a run down on how it performs and it's capabilities/limits it would be appreciated by me and others as there is a few people who would benefit from your info. Cheers. :)

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Get on the gas early and let the slip begin and dont back off the throttle (but not too much throttle) and the ETC will grab the wheel(s) and transfer drive through the open diffs to the wheels with grip. Learning to get the most out of LR traction control takes time. Backing off stops the grabbing of the rotors and you are slipping again big time, so just keep on the throttle. Go and get it cross axled for fun...you can get it so that it just sits there lightly grabbing the wheel(s) in the air, then squeeze the throttle and you will hear it working and feel it also.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by dullbird

Scouse isnt locked either and he has been up in his v8 rangie

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It's one of those tracks that can change each time you go up it, depending on who's been stuck & chewed out a new section.

Here it is a few years ago in the wet with HT tyres in my "double unlocked" RR:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PNxwEW2IrU"]Scouse AULRO Newnes 4-10-09 - YouTube[/ame]

Scouse, thats great, Do you have a photo showing how the camera is mounted?.

Try reversing down a steep hill in low range and then say that, antistall is great when you are going forward, damn scary when going backwards......

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Originally Posted by Babs

Point taken, I suppose this is where the antistall comes in, I love that antistall feature. :)

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Originally Posted by GlennWA

... With more momentum it seemed to dig holes, push sand and spin rather than simply glide over the top with the tyre tread doing its work. ...

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Momentum doesn't cause wheelspin :o

Torque in excess of the available traction (tractive effort) causes wheelspin, i.e. on low traction surfaces less torque can be applied if you want to avoid wheelspin.

And sufficient momentum is your friend by letting you proceed with less torque applied when traction deminishes.