Thread: 98 110 Wheel and swivel bearings

Originally Posted by uninformed

Blue_mini, if you have a set of vernier calipers, could you measure the OD of the largest spigot on the swivel housing side of each of those stub axles

cheers
Serg

Heres a picture with some dimensions on it, may be a bit rough my sketching skills are a little rusty, Can clarify dimensions if you cant read them.

The new stub axle has an extra step in it.

On a similar note is there a step or edge to locate the bush for when i don't include the seal in the stub axle to convert to oil bearings?

Originally Posted by uninformed

edited, thanks mate.

re the part# for lock washer, the exploded diagram definitely has a large flat and states for disc front and disc rear vehicles from VIN 903435 onwards. It also shows the older style with keyway and has a different part# for that lock washer.

Im guessing your number is probably the revised, newer number?

what is the inner key washer? is this what Land Rover call the stub axle washer, which is the first washer after bearing, before first hub nut?

Originally Posted by LowRanger

Serg

Yes I know what the manual say regarding Disc/Drum and Disc /disc,but I think that the disc/disc type stub is the later 300Tdi type with narrow bearing space

I know there is a crossover period in late 1993 between the 200Tdi and 300Tdi models where disc/disc is fitted.I have one of those But these two listings are all I have seen,and it only says from Vin **** and then no further listing.So it may pay to check that you are ordering the correct lock washer to suit the earlier stub that you are ordering.
And yes the key washer is what Land Rover call the first washer ,between the bearing and the first nut.

sorry my post wasnt that clear. Yes the disc/disc stub is the short one. When I said it showed the older style with key way, what I didnt say was this was on another page under the Disc/drum section, with the earlier, long stubs.....I was just saying that I had seen both and they have different part#. I triple checked and the part# I listed is correct from the PDF im looking at, which looks to be genuine LR.

oh and the other confusion, I didnt say I was ordering the earlier stub (yet) Bloody Oilboy started that hahaha

so the part# I speced is for the later short stub. When I do these threads I try and get all the info I can for me and for others...it also becomes a reference I can go back and check for part#s etc. Yes this thread got a bit side tracked, but I still see it as my original outset, that is new bearings and parts for wheel and swivel on a 98 110.

btw LR refer to the key washer in the early long stub and then call the same washer a stub washer in the later short stub

I think I added this in the other thread re stubs/hubs, but here goes: I was told that there was a short period where LR fitted 10spline diffs but changed to the smaller 32spline cv...I am GUESSING that these may be the few later 200Tdis??? This could explain the disc rear, as it would be set up the exact same as the 300Tdi, except for the 10spline vs 24spline .....But one thing is for sure, if they have the 32spline cv they have short stubs and narrow bearing hubs, as there has only ever been one length 32 spline cv in defenders.....

maybe your disc/disc 200Tdi is short stub, maybe not???

thanks for the input and keep it comming mate

Originally Posted by uninformed

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Bloody Oilboy started that hahaha

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I've been called many things, but that's a new one !

Originally Posted by uninformed

sorry my post wasnt that clear. Yes the disc/disc stub is the short one. When I said it showed the older style with key way, what I didnt say was this was on another page under the Disc/drum section, with the earlier, long stubs.....I was just saying that I had seen both and they have different part#. I triple checked and the part# I listed is correct from the PDF im looking at, which looks to be genuine LR.

oh and the other confusion, I didnt say I was ordering the earlier stub (yet) Bloody Oilboy started that hahaha

so the part# I speced is for the later short stub. When I do these threads I try and get all the info I can for me and for others...it also becomes a reference I can go back and check for part#s etc. Yes this thread got a bit side tracked, but I still see it as my original outset, that is new bearings and parts for wheel and swivel on a 98 110.

btw LR refer to the key washer in the early long stub and then call the same washer a stub washer in the later short stub

I think I added this in the other thread re stubs/hubs, but here goes: I was told that there was a short period where LR fitted 10spline diffs but changed to the smaller 32spline cv...I am GUESSING that these may be the few later 200Tdis??? This could explain the disc rear, as it would be set up the exact same as the 300Tdi, except for the 10spline vs 24spline .....But one thing is for sure, if they have the 32spline cv they have short stubs and narrow bearing hubs, as there has only ever been one length 32 spline cv in defenders.....

maybe your disc/disc 200Tdi is short stub, maybe not???

thanks for the input and keep it comming mate

Serg

I still have the original front axles and Cv's from my F&R disc 200Tdi down the garage somewhere,I will endeavour to drag them out and check what Cv's it has?Just for reference.
And yes I was confused I thought you "were" ordering the earlier type stubs.

thanks Wayne, that would be great.

the other thing that would be interesting to know, and Im not sure if it can be done visually from the outside, is if the disc/drum one runs the larger top swivel pin and ralko bush, and the disc/disc one runs the smaller top swivel pin and taper roller bearing....

not your fault on the confusion...and yes still looking into the earlier stub/hubs, which of course will require the correct odds and ends.

Im seriously thinking about doing one order from a UK mob for all bearings, shims etc and just get 2 earlier stubs and hubs...that way when I dive into mine, I can start to see first hand some of this stuff.

@ Blue_mini, I did see your question re the bush/seal, but I dont know the answer......hopefully someone will chime in for you.

RE Assembly, as I will be running all front end in the diff oil, that is no axle seal and no stub shaft seal, what is the procedure for swivel bearing lubrication? same as wheel bearings? (just lube with the same oil I use in the front diff and assemble?

also what shims should I order. I figure this is a "how long is a peice of string" question. But if you had no knowledge of what it was going to need, and you had no shims, what ones would you order to do the job? Id rather have some left over than be short and without vehicle waiting for more...

Originally Posted by uninformed

thanks Wayne, that would be great.

the other thing that would be interesting to know, and Im not sure if it can be done visually from the outside, is if the disc/drum one runs the larger top swivel pin and ralko bush, and the disc/disc one runs the smaller top swivel pin and taper roller bearing....

not your fault on the confusion...and yes still looking into the earlier stub/hubs, which of course will require the correct odds and ends.

Im seriously thinking about doing one order from a UK mob for all bearings, shims etc and just get 2 earlier stubs and hubs...that way when I dive into mine, I can start to see first hand some of this stuff.

Serg

I am not sure if there is a great difference visually from the exterior,but the swivels are leaking quite badly on the tray back that I recently purchased,so I will be taking it apart ASAP when the weather cools down and I have the time off work,as I have to work outside as both of my Defenders wont fit under my carport.As soon as I have it apart I will let you know.

I got my swivel rebuild kits and wheel bearing kits from paddock spares.
The swivel rebuild kits came with quite a few shims and I mixed and matched between the 2 kits I got and what was on the car.
Downside was the wheel bearings weren't timken, and I got a lot of seals that I didn't end up using.