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Thread: Has my Puma got a DPF or not.

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    Cracka Guest

    Has my Puma got a DPF or not.

    G'day Guys/Girls,

    There seems to be some confusion/discussion as to whether we have DPF's fitted to our Puma's.

    I was under the impression that my MY12 didn't as it only had the Catalytic converter then the centre and lastly the rear muffler in the system from the outlet side of the turbo to the tailpipe.

    But before I shot my mouth off (I still could be wrong though, my research could be flawed) I have just flicked through 897 pages of the workshop manual that I downloaded from this link http://landrover.livedrive.com/ that Naks posted the other night and found some interesting things.

    You might all know this bit of info, its got nothing to do with the DPF but I thought it was interesting.

    You can learn a lot from your vehicles VIN. All of the characters differ from vehicle to vehicle, spec, build plant produced etc. Tonight I learnt from the first 11 characters the following info about mine.

    Land Rover UK, Defender.
    90 inch extra heavy duty.
    3 door station wagon.
    2 2l ROW spec (non EU5) engine.
    RHD 6 speed manual.
    2012 model year.
    Build plant Solihull.

    Well, obviously I knew most of those things but not the extra heavy duty, which I confirmed with spring rate by colour code. Also the build plant, and the non EU5 also led me to believe mine was non DPF and to dig further.

    Now the DPF.

    Well it explains on page 894 that the catalytic converter and DPF are within the same unit. EU4 regions have the cat converter only, EU5 have the combined cat converter and DPF. It shows on pages 895 and 897 the differences (pictures) between the 2.

    It appears the way to differentiate between the 2, is that the Cat/DPF has wires and pipes from various sensors coming from the top and the sides whereas the straight catalytic converter does not (mine has absolutely nothing, a couple of blanking plugs where the sensors go that I can see).

    Like I have said before I am no mechanic and don't pretend to be. I had wanted to know this information for my own peace of mind and thought I might as well post it here. But do your own research before commiting to maybe using a non DPF suitable oil or similar.

    I am just posting this for information only, not as fact.

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    Be careful of reading the specs from the VIN though.

    According to the SA VIN numbers, the Puma 2.4 should not have a cat, and yet all of them do.

    Nothing beats an eyeball check

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    What engine oil is specified for the vehicle? It will have to be oil suitable for use with a DPF. So the specs page for the engine oil in the handbook will tell you.For example this is suitable for engines with a DPF
    CHAMPION OEM SPECIFIC 5W30 MS-F (1 Litre1). A very high quality motor oil, (1638185)

    Your handbook should tell you whether you need to get specific oil for engines fitted with a DPF.

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    Should i get a dpf light on startup? There is none on mine

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    And a DPF is ?

    In concern with the oil, the guys that now do my servicing have to buy in oil -; Castrol Edge Titanium 5W-30 A3/B4. This is a fully synthetic oil.


    Forgot,, mines a 2011, 2.4lt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chops View Post
    And a DPF is ?
    Diesel
    Particulate
    Filter

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    Naks,

    I only threw that in there as I didn't know that the VIN actually had some meaning to it! Eyeball, yep did that to confirm with the springs, paint colour code on each one and then confirmed with the springs weights table, 2550kg. Mine is non EU5 spec engine and has cat, I'm assuming these days all new vehicles have to have them.

    I didn't actually post this to discuss oil spec as there's plenty of that already on here, I only mentioned oil as an example so that nobody would say "I did it because that bloke Cracka on AULRO put it on his thread."

    Spudfan,

    Yes you need specific oil for DPF fitted engines, and its a lot more expensive.

    LoveB,

    Depends if you have one? Have a look, that was why I posted this to give people a bit of an idea what to look for and then make a determination from there. I don't get a light on start up either.

    Chops,

    DPF = Diesel Particulate Filter google it, they can (CAN being the operative word) cause dramas especially in a 'city' or vehicle that only does low speeds.

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    DPF from Wiki (bold is mine):

    A diesel particulate filter (or DPF) is a device designed to remove diesel particulate matter or soot from the exhaust gas of a diesel engine. Wall-flow diesel particulate filters usually remove 85% or more of the soot, and under certain conditions can attain soot removal efficiencies of close to 100%. Some filters are single-use, intended for disposal and replacement once full of accumulated ash. Others are designed to burn off the accumulated particulate either passively through the use of a catalyst or by active means such as a fuel burner which heats the filter to soot combustion temperatures; engine programming to run when the filter is full in a manner that elevates exhaust temperature or produces high amounts of NOx to oxidize the accumulated ash, or through other methods. This is known as "filter regeneration". Cleaning is also required as part of periodic maintenance, and it must be done carefully to avoid damaging the filter. Failure of fuel injectors or turbochargers resulting in contamination of the filter with raw diesel or engine oil can also necessitate cleaning.[1] The regeneration process occurs at road speeds higher than can generally be attained on city streets; vehicles driven exclusively at low speeds in urban traffic can require periodic trips at higher speeds to clean out the DPF.[2] If the driver ignores the warning light and waits too long to operate the vehicle above 40 miles per hour (64 km/h), the DPF may not regenerate properly, and continued operation past that point may spoil the DPF completely so it must be replaced.[3]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chops View Post
    And a DPF is ?

    In concern with the oil, the guys that now do my servicing have to buy in oil -; Castrol Edge Titanium 5W-30 A3/B4. This is a fully synthetic oil.


    Forgot,, mines a 2011, 2.4lt
    I would make sure that it is A5/B5 as any oil I have seen speced for the Puma is to this spec. As an example this is what I used on my last oil change on the 2008 2.4 Puma. Have a look at the oil description.
    Total Quartz 9000 Future 5W/30. 1 litre. Fully Synthetic oil for Petrol a (1212964)
    Funnily enough where the manufacturers of this oil recommend it for the Puma 2.4, they do not list it as suitable for the Puma 2.2 with the DPF.
    Here is another oil suitable for Pumas again it is to A5/B5 spec but is listed as O.K. for use with a DPF
    http://www.micksgarage.com/proddetai...38185&pk=16C4D
    If you visit the Castrol site they recommend Castrol Magnatec A1 which is to A5/B5 spec for both the Puma 2.4 and the Puma 2.2 WITHOUT a DPF. For the 2.2 fitted with a DPF Castrol tell you to refer to the Manufacturers recommendation.
    Castrol EDGE oil selector
    The Castrol Edge seems to be even higher spec oil than the Castrol Magnatec but I would be looking for Castrol Edge with the A5/B5 spec. That is what the maindealer used on my last service there.

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    This is the oil recommended by TopIX for my MY12 Defender PUMA, which does not have a DPF

    The oil was $380 for 20 litres including some freight
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