Thread: KM2's going, Advise on A/T LT tyres

ugu80, I know perfectly well what ply rating means.

Denier has a significant influence on the strength of the structural material (plies) used for the tyre carcase.

So how could the tyre manufacturers increase ply rating (a load rating) without increasing the overall denier weight (assuming same material e.g. polyester for the plies?

IMHO they can't, but you claim ply rating has absolutely nothing to do with sidewall plies or denier.

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Originally Posted by ugu80

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Get your facts right and stop posting BS

Baja Claws are cross ply, not single ply

The plies don't rub together

Load rating has everything to do with the tyre construction

Just to correct some of your rubbish

I strongly urge you to write to Michelin and point out their errors as nearly all my rubbish is just a cut and paste from their website, here is their Australian office: Michelin Australia Pty Ltd
51-57 Fennell Street
Port Melbourne VIC 3207

Originally Posted by Babs

Well Guys, I kind of regretted getting the KM2's when I first bought them, as they were noisy, and now after 12,000 klm I have had enough. I find them vibrating as well as I can feel the nobs as I drive, I know most of you are die hard KM2 fans, just not for me.

So I was after some advise on A/T LT tyres. I'm considering BFG AT, Bridgestone Dueler D697 LT, or Cooper ST MAXX.

Particularly interested in feedback on the Dueler D697. Has anyone got these fitted to their Deefer?

Look forward to your feedback

I just swapped my 255/85/16 KM2 on ZU rims out for the original general grabbers on boosts, I am not sure what was causing the problems, if it was the KM2, the larger size tyre or the ZU rims but the handling is much better now, the steering feels tighter and the cornering is better. I know what you mean about driving on the nobbles, and the noise was getting to me.

I have decided I am not a fan of muddies, but I will keep them for touring as they did well on the last trip, but for day to day I will replace the GG for something in the AT bracket also, I do not want to spend $350 to $400 a tyre so might try the Hankook I can get them fitted for $200 each, it took me an hour to change out the 4 wheels this morning so not a big deal to put the KM2 back on, although I may switch the rims over, I guess that would help determine if the wheel it self had anything to do with the crap handling.

I had a wheel alignment done at the tyre place when I got the KM2's fitted, after reading all the posts on wheel alignment I think I will get it double checked for the toe out rather than in, I just need to find a decent place on the Gold Coast.

Cheers
Pat

Originally Posted by ugu80

I strongly urge you to write to Michelin and point out their errors as nearly all my rubbish is just a cut and paste from their website, here is their Australian office: Michelin Australia Pty Ltd
51-57 Fennell Street
Port Melbourne VIC 3207

I don't need to write to Michelin.

I have no argument with what you cut and pasted. It was the incorrect stuff that obviously came from yourself that I pointed out.

You never once substantiated any of that (because you can't), but only proceeded to obfuscate with heaps more irreverent cut and paste, but with more errors of your own making.

The thing that got me going in your 1st post was your implying Coopers were better than BFG because they have 2x2000 denier ply and 1x1000 angled denier ply, while BFG are 3x1000 ply.

You don't seem to understand that the denier changes with load rating and tyre size. You never said what size and load rating applied to either of the Cooper or BFG tyre you were referring to. Without that clarification your information is not worth the space it appears in. You need to compare apples to apples, pardon the pun.

I also held off in objecting to your using the preface "Don't fall for the sidewall propaganda." as though you have the answers, but you didn't and didn't substantiate it.Instead it read like it was out of a Coopers add.

I have had Coopers STT and Mickey Thompson MTZ (both owned by Coopers) in 10 ply rating 165/75 R16. I wouldn't have either again because of cracking.

Buy Michellin A/T's and don't look back,forget the hype about strong sidewalls and puncture proof crap,it's just that,crap.Tyres are the most important safety device on your vehicle,spend the money and buy the best. Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

Buy Michellin A/T's and don't look back,forget the hype about strong sidewalls and puncture proof crap,it's just that,crap.Tyres are the most important safety device on your vehicle,spend the money and buy the best. Pat

Pat, best michelin AT i ever saw was the LTX, seen a set get 120k and no flats or serious damage at all, and yes they did get used offroad/ touring.
iirc they aren't available anymore

jc