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One suggestion, weigh what you put in on a big camp trip, plus bar, winch, sliders and the weight of the dog yourself and your partner. In the jeep 4 door you would be dangerously close to if not over GVM so if you had a prang the insurance company could use it as an excuse not to pay. From memory the diesel jeep auto 4 door can carry under 500 kg compared to the 1050 in a 110 defender.
Go a defender, Tom woods prop, Gwyn Lewis suspension kit , and Ashcroft locker and axles/cv's along with either 255/85. R16 or bigger 35 in rubber.
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Jeep or Defender,
I had a patrol. It didn't leak water on my right foot, I couldn't hear whistleing noises from the doors, all the panels lined up, its was very comfy and was very competent off road. But I'll tell you something, I just love my Defender.
One thing you will find asking questions like this of Defender owners (and I guess it's the same of Jeep owners) is they (we) don't understand how there is even a choice.
My son says 'you don't choose a Defender, the Defender chooses you'
If you have to ask, buy the jeep!
Cheers,
Nino.
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I think you definitely need a good 1 hr drive in each and then you will know. One will bring more of a smile to your face.
As for the comfort in the defender I don't have too many issues with being close to the door or riding in the original seats but am thinking about scheel man seats eventually. I'm only 5"11 and about 68kgs.
I'm really loving mine and came out of a very luxurious and comfy discovery 4 with full leather, 3.0l diesel twin turbo,6 speed auto.
Yes changing gears can be a bit of a pain but I just do it and love the defender so much.enjoyed the read of the jeep forum. Seem like similar members to Aulro and love their cars. Yes jeep have as much personality as Defenders I guess.
They have their own quirks.
http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/...p't=127169
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I also spent a bit of time treating the noise in my car as its an older TD5 and probably more noisy than the newer Pumas.
I'm now happy with the ambient noise levels and also the internal sound when I turn the stereo on.
Definitely no rattles anywhere.
I've upgraded the TD5 stereo from the original cassette deck that was in it.
Pioneer stereo with DAB radio, Bluetooth for phone and audio.
Pioneer 6x9 rears, pioneer 10" slim sub in slim box, Polk audio 5.5 fronts, JL Audio 400x4 and 600x1 digital amps which fit perfectly behind the seats.
Lots of fun installing it.
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If you want a large towing capacity, comfy modern interior and automatic, AND be a member of an elite group of likeminded individuals... buy a G-Wagen. Then there will be three of us. :p
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You'd have to wait a long time to wave to a fellow G-Wagon owner then!
My PUMA gets 10.5L/100 on average. Have never got it as good as 9.0/100 :(
Strangely, my older TDi300 engine (from 1997) gets better MPG that the PUMA, so not sure what that says about all that modern technology.....
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I am changing from the JK Unlimited to the 110 S/wagon at the moment for a number of reasons. These may or may not be of relevance but I'll put in my 2c worth anyway. The reasons are;
1- JK has limited space in the rear and the sub gets in the way if you a loading in a couple of bulky items whereas the defender has a much longer loadspace which seems to be a lot more usable.
2- After many trips away in the JK in the wet (inc the Australia Day storms) you never know whether you have put the roof on right until after the footwell has turned into a pool. There also seems to be a reservoir in the roof somewhere which leaks onto you whenever you turn a corner.
3- Although the 110 only comes in manual the anti stall seems to help with bumper to bumber traffic the same way an auto will.
4- I am yet to drive the jeep without something wrong. Warning lights, wiper blades, oil light (even though its been checked), rear windscreen water hose popping off in the car, traction control light. The list never ends. People say "its a jeep thing you wont understand" and trust me you never will!
5- Low range on the jeep is just not as low as on the defender.
6- Both go offroad but the defender just goes further with less hassle.
I am sure there is the same post somewhere on Ausjeep but they are jeep owners ofcourse they are biased:p
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I don't like how the jeeps ride they mak me feel sea sick and I'm not a fan of the suspension arms just look cheap and nasty there only pressed metal junk
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Like Ned says, Price and drive a low k, Discovery 2a with ACE (Active Cornering Enhancement). If you get a 7 seater you will have rear Air springs (SLS) that you can raise+40mm with the touch of a button!
Diesel with Auto- check. Chipped , you will have the performance and near economy of a Common rail engine. Also has electronic torque lockup adding to economy.
Drives like a car on road, heaps of articulation offroad as the hydraulic linked anti-sway dis-engages like the Rubicon- check
Heaps comfortable- check
Decent stereo- check (with loads of cash left over if you want bleeding ears)
Storage space between a 90 and a 110, more than a Wrangler. Even more if you remove some of the rear interior trim.
Centre diff lock and traction control/ hill descent control- Check. Just add a rear Detroit locker, and there is not much you won't climb (within reason).
OR, go an early D3 with E-Diff and go even further!!
BUT, only I will wave to you.
Dave (the only waving Disco Driver in SEQ (apparantly)
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I put my ear plugs in when commuting to work when it's raining, something about water on the road makes it so f'ing loud.
I'm doing 200km/day in my 90 getting to work and home again (100 each way), I step out feeling fine and not drained at all.
