Thread: Tube or tubeless

Originally Posted by 87County

or not - I've never had a problem with tubeless tyres fitted to standard defender or series rims

on the other hand I have had problems with tube abrasion if tubes were fitted to tyres on those rims

You did see the "properly" part?

You only get tube abrasion if there is a foreign object in the tyre or the tube is pinched/folded.
Everything points to the OP's tube being folded/pinched on installation.

Got pics of your tube damage?

Sorry no photos
But the mark was about 15mm wide 30 mm long a bit like a scuff with a few holes.

After ringing round I have found new HD steels suitable for a 130 for $114 delivered, From LR Automotive (got the details from another post here).

So that's the way I'm going, I know "just drive the thing" seems the go, I'm just trying to make the car as reliable as possible and eliminate as many problems as possible, after lots of searching on here there seems to be as many people for as against tubes/tubeless so decided to go with what I feel comfortable with.

Of course with the current oil leak (See other thread) the car is doing it's up most to save the tyre issue being a concern.

Cheers
Phil

Originally Posted by Dougal

You did see the "properly" part?

You only get tube abrasion if there is a foreign object in the tyre or the tube is pinched/folded.
Everything points to the OP's tube being folded/pinched on installation.

Got pics of your tube damage?

sorry Dougal - didn't keep 'em - happened years ago

I do understand that current thinking is that it is not "best practice" to fit tubeless to non-safety rims but I've never had a problem with LR rims

now I mostly use D1 rims

Originally Posted by Dougal

You did see the "properly" part?

You only get tube abrasion if there is a foreign object in the tyre or the tube is pinched/folded.
Everything points to the OP's tube being folded/pinched on installation.

I have had tubes wear through because of the rough surface on the inside of the tyre, both with Michelins and Coopers, and generally the tubes only last half the life of the tyre.

Jeff

Originally Posted by 87County

I do understand that current thinking is that it is not "best practice" to fit tubeless to non-safety rims but I've never had a problem with LR rims

now I mostly use D1 rims

No-one has ever given me a plausible reason why tubeless tyres need a safety rim, while tubed tyres do not???

Any offers?

Terry

Originally Posted by rover-56

No-one has ever given me a plausible reason why tubeless tyres need a safety rim, while tubed tyres do not???

Any offers?

Terry

Simple.
A tubed tyre rim has the bead on an taper angle of about 5 degrees towards the inside of the rim. It doesn't take that much force to push the bead far enough in to break the seal.
This isn't a problem on a tubed wheel because it doesn't lose all it's air when the seal is broken.

In a situation like the one below, you can see how far the outer tyre is distorted.


With the second hump locking the bead in place it's pretty secure. But without there is very little stopping the tyre dumping the air and digging the rim into the road. Especially if (like 98% of the population) the tyre is soft because you haven't checked the pressure ever.

Originally Posted by philandmickey

Hi
Decided to bite the bullet and buy 4 wolf rims from TRS they seemed expensive @$165 each but I guess that's life!

I feel really the tyre shop should not have put tubes in a tubeless tyre without at least warning me of the pit falls?

So may have a chat with them regarding the swap over cost?

Cheers

Phil

$165 a rim is a good price. I paid $220 each for mine, but they were brand new (black) tubeless ones. Had to spray them white myself, but that only took an hour or two.

Tube rims without safety bead result in rapid deflation when cornering with low tyre pressure as apposed to safety beads which take a lot more effort to dislodge. Theyre just there to try to stop accidents.

Cheers,
Brian