Thread: All discussions relating to the Defenders end of production

Originally Posted by Samblers

Absolutely.

In answer to the original question, “is anyone bothered”?

Me!

I’d love for LR to continue making defenders for my personal convenience and continued enjoyment!

But I know that’s completely unsustainable.

I hope the New Defender is awesome and inspires us all.

I think there will be enough pre-99 110s and parts around to satisfy the desires of the remaining iconoclasts for the rest of their lives.

From reading the various threads here it would seem that quite a few owners of older 110s have a spare as well.

The current supply of late 80s ex-mil 110s will help this situation, particularly as those impulse buyers who now realise a need more comfort get tired of driving their purchase.

As the O.P., it appears to me, from the replies so far, that there is a lot more interest in the "older" Defenders, than the newer ones/Pumas etc.
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

As the O.P., it appears to me, from the replies so far, that there is a lot more interest in the "older" Defenders, than the newer ones/Pumas etc.
Pickles.

Yep, Pickkles2, I think you could say from the tone of the thread, that part of your proposition in post#1 could be said to be confirmed (i.e. that there is minimal interest and few are bothered)

I look at it from a work/ commercial point of view, I normally buy a new ute at 130-150k, hold onto the old one and give it to one of my workers to drive.. The truth is for the price I could buy a triton/Amarok/ dmax for $31k and it will be fine for up to 120-150km..but... My 98 tdi has 560,000km, my 03 td5 has 310,000km and I've had 2 puma 130s... Remember these utes are at 3200kg-3500+kg from the day I drive them out of the dealer and are in off road/forestry applications. I've just bought an Amarok tray top for one of the guys, so it will be interesting to see how it holds up. If the new defender has in any way lost what it's meant to be, I will be going straight to an American ute, in the form of an F350 or similar.. But I hope landrover remember their commercial/ agricultural background and provide a ute to suit..

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I wonder what LR will do with the tooling, etc for Defenders when production ends in UK. Maybe with Tata owning it now, could be taken to India. Probably with low labour costs, could be produced economically for several years for markets that still want it - maybe including some military organisations.


Maybe one precedent is the John Deere 730 tractor. the second largest of the last models with the 180 degree twin cylinder motor layout JD had used for 40 years. When these were replaced with multi cylinder conventional layout like other makers used in about 1960, tooling was sent to Argentina where production continued for another 10 years. They were a more idiot proof tractor than most others. Also, with this motor, which appeared to many of antiquated design, they held the record for the most fuel efficient tractor according to Nebraska tests for many years. Main reason for this is probably that with two large cylinders, less surface area in them relative to swept volume and the need to keep these surface temperatures down causes loss in thermal efficiency.

Just so you guys know.....

there are are a number of threads relating to the defender ending..so I'm going to be merging them all into one thread...

and then I will change the heading to all discussions relating to the end of defender production..

I will then sticky it in this section...at the top of the page

There is still a Defender clone being produced. Wonder for how much longer. Maybe only made in Left hand drive and sanctions could probably make new ones difficult for Australians to obtain. Check www.morattab.ir Then you need to look around for a Union Jack to click on unless able to understand the written Persian Language. It uses the Arabic alphabet, which is read from right to left and with 4 extra letters.


Morattab has been producing Defender look alikes in Iran for many years. They originally obtained tooling from Santana in Spain. It produced Land Rovers under licence for a long time. then continued independently. The Santana PS10 could effectively have been described as a Series 4 Land Rover. They did not use coil springs or constant 4WD. Then this was superseded by the Iveco Massif, with a similar overall shaped body but apparently produced by current conventional means. However, the company more recently suffered disappointing sales, considerable financial losses and was closed down. I wonder if would be customers would have preferred the old model. Maybe a reason for LR to continue production of present Defender in parallel with new one for a while, as Series 3's were continued concurrently for a while with Countys.


Note that the Morattab Defender clone is now known as a Herour. Not sure what differences from long running Morattab Pazhan, other than now a diesel engine is available. Presumably motor is sourced from Japan or Korea or at least built from design from there. as former V6 petrol was. Defender enthusiasts should find looking at Morattab Herour specifications interesting.