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Sorry but the last posts on this thread are rubbish,you can get your LR serviced by anyone with the diagnostic gear,I lived in remote Oz for years and never had an issue,as per electric trouble never had any but helped lots of people in older generation vehicles that had mechanical trouble out in the middle of nowhere,last was a 1HD-FTE that the owner kept because he didn't like electrics,go figure. Pat

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Originally Posted by p38arover

Yeccchh

Where is the vomit emoticon?

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Come on!! It's going to HAVE to look something like that. We will just have to get used to it.

My big worry is that it will lose the mechanical simplicity of the current Defender & move too far up market.

Provided the load area is still a practical shape, & not miles of moulded plastic making it difficult to customise, I am not too worried about the external shape as suggested in the photos.

Cheers,

Lionel

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Originally Posted by Landybitz

And Land Rover are putting the brakes on Independent garages having the ability to offer parts and servicing, only a few will have the privilege and I am sure they will have to pay a big fee to do so.

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All the car companies are trying to lock buyers into their dealer service departments, LR is not unusual.
That's why the companies are now offering fixed price servicing, to try to win people back from the independents. Just yesterday we were offered vehicle lifetime fixed price servicing on a Mazda 2, for example. Quite an attractive offer, actually.

Given how LR has the soccer mum and luxury market covered, I'm expecting a modern, safe, environmental tough as nails unit to attract the miners, military, agriculture, UN market. A mini Iveco in fact. It's a segment not covered well, hence Oz army buying G wagons that are 40 ? Years young

I was only joking about the electrickery Pat, I just can't afford one otherwise there'd be a new one on the driveway :D

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Originally Posted by AndyG

Given how LR has the soccer mum and luxury market covered, I'm expecting a modern, safe, environmental tough as nails unit to attract the miners, military, agriculture, UN market. A mini Iveco in fact. It's a segment not covered well, hence Oz army buying G wagons that are 40 ? Years young

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I remember Gerry McGovern saying their aim would be to replace the Hilux as the top vehicle in the class. LR was able to watch how Ford designed the Ranger here in Oz and what a success it has been, so they should have learnt a lot and hopefully can produce a wider range of vehicles.

The old Ranger is a bloody good car from what I've experienced - for $60K ish they go like a rocket, have all the mod cons and are fuel misers. Hopefully LR will take on board their design ideas.

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Originally Posted by Didge

The old Ranger is a bloody good car from what I've experienced - for $60K ish they go like a rocket, have all the mod cons and are fuel misers. Hopefully LR will take on board their design ideas.

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forget about the Ranger design ideas, but the 5 cylinder Engine, yes !!!

fair call :)

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Originally Posted by Lionel

Come on!! It's going to HAVE to look something like that. We will just have to get used to it.

My big worry is that it will lose the mechanical simplicity of the current Defender & move too far up market.

Provided the load area is still a practical shape, & not miles of moulded plastic making it difficult to customise, I am not too worried about the external shape as suggested in the photos.

Cheers,

Lionel

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After the 300tdi model they lost a lot of their mechanical simplicity with the introduction common rail fuel injection :(
and more so with the pumas with much higher injection pressures :(
Also the drive line lost the robust Salisbury rear diff (approx 2002?) in favour of the inferior rover P38 style diff :(

However compared to what else is on the market ATM they still have a considerable amount of 'mechanical simplicity'

The current defender had the body of an old dog with a heart of a young pup.......