A new body that crumples could be designed to the exact same proportions of the old one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
Printable View
A new body that crumples could be designed to the exact same proportions of the old one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
But not built the same way.
Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app
Because the design, tooling, and certification costs have to be amortised over a sufficiently large volume that it can be sold at a price that will sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
The existing Defender has for nearly seventy years used largely existing designs for most of the vehicle - even more than that if you consider the Series gearbox was first sold in 1932.
The increasing stringency of design rules has made it essential to completely redesign the vehicle - although one way of reducing this cost is to make a lot of use of existing designs, and hence the probability of using the Disc 3/4 platform. The problem with this approach is they have to steer between producing a design that is (obviously) the same design with cosmetic changes, and making so many changes that would have been less cost to have started from a clean sheet!
And I think that the reason for the successive postponements of the end of production, and uncertainty about what will replace it is that Land Rover have had trouble deciding just what to do.
John
Bespoke? Like Bugatti, Ferrari etc? A limited amount made so expensive no one would buy one?
Your arguments go around in circles.
It should stay the same, it's should be rugged, it should be affordable, it should be bespoke, it should be low volume....
The current defender is unique - only because it is a dinosaur in a digital age.
If someone had tried to release that design onto the market even 10 years ago they would have been laughed out of existence..
It's only selling in volume now because it is a modern dinosaur and will soon become extinct.
I've had one - loved it - Emma has a 90 - we love it too...
The end of an era, and the birth of a new model line is not a bad thing - sometimes we need to cherish the past but embrace the future.
If you choose to hold onto your little slice of the past; that's a great thing too... We all love the classics, the memories they invoke etc...
I've enjoyed every single vehicle I've ever owned.. Including the newest versions.
Time will tell if the new one is a success - and I'm betting it will be... In its own right...
I can do everything I want offroad and on in a D4/3/2 and go exactly where the Defender was taken... Technology is not a boundary to adventure, nor are a few curves or composite materials. After all - the original LR was a composite of Alloys and Steel [emoji41]
Loving the banter Tombie 😊 ...If a 2015 hand-made Defender is $50,000, surely a new model, using mass production techniques might still come in under $80,000 (the price of pretty much any other large 4WD) even if the volumes sold are not as great as more mainstream vehicles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
i like your optimism but I'm yet to be convinced about disco durabilityQuote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
I didn't mean the current car was perfect, it isn't, but there aren't going to be any more improvements made to the Defender as we know it today. It's as good as it's ever going to get because there isn't going to be another revision or update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Didge
I'm confident the new Defender will be fantastic and I can't wait to see what JLR comes up with. I don't think many people will consider the older cars redundant when it arrives though.
The Defender is as iconic as the 911, it'll never truly be replaced.
I would hope Land Rover make a decent Defender replacement, and I am sure the target market is those who buy other brands, would be foolish to aim the new Defender to the die hard few who love to drive a tractor like 4wd, times have changed and the Defender must move on, volume sales are what they need to make it happen, a return to the USA is a must, and a Defender that as all the bells and whistle's as a Range Rover Sport will satisfy most buyers, just by calling it a Defender will be a enough to generate sales.
That said they do need a base version, Toyota. Ford. VW etc all do the same so hopefully Land Rover Will.
They've said they want to beat the Hilux, so that means single and dual cabs, and there will have to be a wagon, maybe an extended wheelbase and probably a military version. The aluminium Disco platform is ready to use. It has to meet all crash standards so that means crumple zones and airbags. JLR already has the new Ingenium 2.0-2.5 engines and it could drop in the 3.0TDV6. The ZF transmissions are in place. I assume it will get the LR corporate front end. That just leaves decisions about the suspension and styling. How hard can it be?
Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app