Thanks for working this out for us. Been to jaycar to get the parts but they only had 5 pin relays with the 87a option. Did you get yours from jaycar?
This is something I've been meaning to post up for a while.
The headlight wiring in the Defender is terrible - we all know this. From the factory, all of the current for both of the headlights leaves the battery and heads towards the starter motor. At the starter motor, it turns and heads into the cab – through the lighting switch, to the headlight on relay beneath the dash, back through the indicator switch, through a fake relay in the dash near the driver’s door, to the fuses under the dash and then to the lights. It is an unbelievably poor design.
Voltage at the headlight bulbs on my Defer was 10.5V, they may have well have been candles.
I thought long and hard about the neatest, easiest, cheapest way to turn the existing headlight circuit into something worthwhile activating at night. This is what I came up with:
Basically, everything that you need to see is here (ignore the rather poor wiring effort coming in from the top of the image - that's something else I'm working on). To keep the new headlight relays safe and dry, I thought they should go with the others under the dash. To do this, you have two options; buy two more of the standard factory relay holders, or buy ones from Jaycar (P/N SY4078). These units are cheap, stronger than the LR units and most importantly have the same mounting bolt spacing so that they attach into the same spot under the fuse box. For me the Jaycar units were easily available over the counter rather than having to wait for an order to come in for the LR ones, so it was a no brainer. The downside is that you need five of them rather than two LR units to add to the existing ones. The Jaycar ones DO NOT slot into the LR ones.
So, parts required are:
- Jaycar SY4078 x 5
- 5 pin relay (the ones with two outputs or ‘pin 87’s) x 2
- Spade connectors x 4
- Ring lug (possibly, see step 5 below)
Wiring the two new relays – one for low beam, one for high beam – is simple. First, here's the layout of these relays.
Pins: 30 - Power to controlled circuit, 85 - Earth for trigger circuit, 86 - trigger, 87s - outputs. Make sure you don't get relays with an '87a' output, they won't work.
Method:
1) Pull the existing feed for each light’s fuse out of the back of the fuse holder (one for LHS low beam, RHS low beam, LHS high beam, RHS high beam).
2) Cut the connector off ONE low beam supply and ONE high beam supply (it doesn’t matter which side they were), and tape them up neatly so they don’t short out on the bulkhead.
3) The remaining two cables are now the trigger feeds for the high and low beam relays (the input marked 86 on the new relays).
4) Power feeds (pin 30) for the two relays can be wired in from a number of places – the starter motor or battery being the best two spots. Use a cable with an inline fuse, something around 2.5mm2 is fine. Please don’t waste your time with large cables.
5) Pin 85s are all earths – find an appropriate spot to either solder them onto an existing earth cable or make up a few leads with ring clamps on them and stick them on the bolt where the fuse holder bracket attaches to the bulkhead.
6) On the low beam relay, a short (~5cm) lead needs to be made up to jump from the two 87 (output) pins of the relay to the spots where you pulled the feed for the low beam headlights' fuses out from in step 1 (the two 7.5A fuses directly above the new relay). Repeat for the high beam relay.
7) There is no step 7, you’re done.
Now, current for the lights goes from the battery, through the relays, through the fuse and to the lights. Much simpler and my headlights are now easily bright enough – the difference was staggering.
I settled on this solution because nothing has to be changed outside of the fuse box area. Also, there is significantly less stress on the headlight relay (the one that turns the headlights off when the ignition goes off), the headlight switch and also the indicator switch (which is a pricey item if it fails; also a good reason to switch to LEDs).
I have also done a thread on replacing the standard brake, indicator and reverse lights to LED, to finish the job of having your Defender visible at night. See it here.
If you have any questions about doing this, post them in this thread as I'll be able to monitor it easily.
Thanks for working this out for us. Been to jaycar to get the parts but they only had 5 pin relays with the 87a option. Did you get yours from jaycar?
No problemI didn't get them from Jaycar - I used Narva ones from Autobarn. They aren't a hard thing to find usually, but yeah I remember Jaycar not having them.
The question has to be asked why it wasn't done like this in the first place?
The question has to be asked, why the Traxide kit is so expensive when this cheap thing does the same job? Or does it?
The Traxide kit expensive??? You really think so? It is a complete kit and at $150 - $199 is not that bad as you have to do minimal work. The biggest advantage is it is pretty much plug and play. Add up the cost of all parts including wiring and then add labour and it is not bad value.
I for one can testify it is worth it.
2011 Discovery 4 TDV6
2009 DRZ400E Suzuki
1956 & 1961 P4 Rover (project)
1976 SS Torana (project - all cash donations or parts accepted)
2003 WK Holden Statesman
Departed
2000 Defender Extreme: Shrek (but only to son)
84 RR (Gone) 97 Tdi Disco (Gone)
98 Ducati 900SS Gone & Missed
Facta Non Verba
Me too. I got the one that is for headlights AND spotlights for my last vehicle and it worked just fine thanks ! Very happy with it and as Craig said it comes with all the bits you need... I;'d very happily buy from Tim again.
At the same time Dervish has done a great job here offering this as another option for consideration. Thanks Dervish.
It's not broken. It's "Carbon Neutral".
gone
1993 Defender 110 ute "Doris"
1994 Range Rover Vogue LSE "The Luxo-Barge"
1994 Defender 130 HCPU "Rolly"
1996 Discovery 1
current
1995 Defender 130 HCPU and Suzuki GSX1400
Did the Dervish relay mod recently its simple and headlights are brighter also I repaired my headlight switch before it was too far gone, thanks Dervish
Just wanted to add that Narva relay holders slide into the original landrover holders making it even simpler by not having to change the other original holders
Does this apply to a 2013 Defender?
Anyone have the pics from this thread on record? Would like to have a go at this but don’t fully understand with no diagrams, cheers
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