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    Stupidest service procedure ever or what?

    Was looking through the workshop manual for something else this morning and happened to notice the official procedure for checking the oil level-or rather, quantity- in the LT230 transfer case as fitted to Puma models: one must not use the filler plug as a level plug, or 'damage to the vehicle may result' (presumably this means that the rear output shaft seal will leak). Instead, one is instructed to drain the oil, measure it, and put it back in.

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    JLR must be in cahoots with an oil company! Who in their right mind would remove oil and put it back in. It must be a ploy to get the oil changed more frequently.

    In the D4 SDV6 3.0 the engine doesn't even have a dip stick. You are left with the option of hoping the sensor is working or doing the same procedure of removing and replacing the oil!

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    So thanks to inbuilt oil leaks every time you drain and measure you get less and less of a measure of oil to put back in.
    That is the stupidest or most stupid even.

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    You really need to take info like this with a bit of common sense...really.
    The "fill/level" plug is exactly that and the drain is, well the drain.
    If your transfer leaks, well you need to check the level between changes. If it does not leak (like mine) keep an eye on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    JLR must be in cahoots with an oil company! Who in their right mind would remove oil and put it back in. It must be a ploy to get the oil changed more frequently.

    In the D4 SDV6 3.0 the engine doesn't even have a dip stick. You are left with the option of hoping the sensor is working or doing the same procedure of removing and replacing the oil!
    Do you think they are saying to put old oil back in, or to use the original LR filled amount as the guide to how much to re fill with? i.e. drain old oil, measure the amount, fill with same amount of new oil....

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    nope.

    the service level of the LT230 in the ford is actually not correct, as the case has been tilted down and rotated the level plug has moved into a position that gives a different level.

    From memory the oil level winds up being a couple of hundred mL low. (compared to the normal level) This in a Tcase that already has a relatively low oil quantity in it to the point that some people (and you can count me amongst them for certain cases) recommend fitting a different sump cover that holds more oil for arduous use.

    same thing in reverse went for the T Case in the Australian version of the LAV. The designers messed with it for some reason, moved it about a bit and upset the oil level. the correct oil level was the low mark, off the bottom of the stick was low (yeah how far off the bottom of the stick?) and below that was time to top up.. Over filling it caused it to boil its oil
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    Quote Originally Posted by uninformed View Post
    Do you think they are saying to put old oil back in, or to use the original LR filled amount as the guide to how much to re fill with? i.e. drain old oil, measure the amount, fill with same amount of new oil....
    If the oil is not due to be changed but you want to check the level, say before a trip, what do you do if the filler plug can't be used to check level? After all you should check the engine oil regularly when not due to be replaced, why wouldn't you check transmission too.

    Thats what I'm saying.

    Personally I wouldn't re-use oil, just because of the risk of contamination in the box and during the removal and replacement process.

    If as Dave says the filler plug is in the wrong place, then LR should have replaced it into the correct position.

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    The Puma,sorry Dave,Ford also has a filler plug on the G/box which isn't the level plug.

    The diffs on the D3/4(Fords?) also have a measured amount,the fill plug is not the level plug.

    Something many of us are not used to,but appears to be the way these days,as is the no engine dipstick.

    Why they do this is beyond me,but maybe i am missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    The diffs on the D3/4(Fords?) also have a measured amount,the fill plug is not the level plug.
    Supposedly not but when I recently did my RRS front and rear diffs and tfr case the designated amount tied in exactly with the bottom of the filler plug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    The Puma,sorry Dave,Ford also has a filler plug on the G/box which isn't the level plug.
    thats not the first landy thing thats done that.

    series, county and early deefer swivel hubs

    some series transmissions (fill from the top till it comes out the side bung)

    but its also common on some trucks, mack for example, you were supposed to fill the top bung till oil came out of the power divider fill bung, then replace that then fill again untill oil came out the diff filler, never saw it happen everyone just filled it till the oil came out the diff bung and left it at that knowing that the oil had already filled the above compartment because it was now coming out the bottom one.

    the original oil filled hubs on the M113 and the series 2 landy required you fill them to a certain point then rotate the fill plug to a horizontal position and wait for the oil to come out. theres plenty of planetry reduction hubs that have the same process. rotate it one way to drain (bungs at 9+6 )then turn 90 degree(12+9) to fill
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