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Thread: Def swerves on left braking - HELP ME PLEASE

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    Unhappy Def swerves on left braking - HELP ME PLEASE

    Hi guys, I am writing because I need a hand in solving a problem in my Defender 90 MY'06. All original with 150k km

    It's a couple of years that when I brake from a speed of at least 90km/h the car swerves dramatically to the left, making driving dangerous for me in case you need to brake suddenly. The problem for me is always present but of course is more noticeable as the speed increases. The car was seen by several mechanics without being able to fix anything.

    The first thing that was controlled by all was the silent blocks that have been investigated searching any plays. All the bushings are new and there are not prensent plays of any kind.

    A mechanic also noted by measuring the distance between front and rear hub that there is a differenze of 0,8mm between the right and the left (which is actually a lot) but also after correcting it nothing has changed in the braking problem.

    Toe and wheels (i've tried also other 4 wheels) are ok


    Than i've changed in order:

    front and rear discs
    front and rear calipers
    adjusting the resistance of the front hubs in steering
    brakes pump
    ABS modulator (and also try the car without ABS ECU)
    rubber hoses that go to the front calipers
    changed all shock absorbers

    I am driving the car I always have the impression that the right front wheel brakes less than the left, but this is only an impression.


    tell me what the hell can I do?

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    My first thought was front radius arm bushes, as I've had the same problem in the past. If they have already been replaced it rules them out.

    Do you have anywhere that you can do a simple test to check if one of the front brakes is more effective than the other? I'm thinking somewhere that isn't high traction - like a gravel road - that you can disable ABS and see if one wheel (likely the left front) tends to lock up first.

    In your list of things replaced I don't see front brake pads. Did you replace those when the discs were replaced? Any chance you've got a mis-matched set of pads in the front?

    Steve
    1985 County - Isuzu 4bd1 with HX30W turbo, LT95, 255/85-16 KM2's
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveG View Post
    My first thought was front radius arm bushes, as I've had the same problem in the past. If they have already been replaced it rules them out.
    I've put down the two radius arm to see the bushes but they were in good condition so I didn't changed them and tight well the nuts..

    Quote Originally Posted by steveG View Post
    In your list of things replaced I don't see front brake pads. Did you replace those when the discs were replaced? Any chance you've got a mis-matched set of pads in the front?
    Tnx Steve! Sure, brand new

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    BRAKING PROBLEM

    If its pulling hard to the left, it may be as simple as the right hand front calliper sticking, it may be still working but if one or more of the dust seals have failed and dirt or dust has entered the calliper pot it may be fouling or sticking on the calliper bore causing drag. If you jack the vehicle up so both front wheels are in the air and have someone apply the brake pedal lightly and see if you can feel a difference in the force needed to rotate each tyre. There are machines around at various mechanics who can measure the braking efficiency as a percentage from one corner of your car to another.
    If you find that calliper is sticking, simply pull the calliper pistons out and give them a quick scotch bright, preferably in a lathe if you have access to one, make sure the calliper bore is free of any rubbish and smooth, then replace the cylinders with a new seal kit installed and a little bit of lube.
    If you rebuild the sticking calliper i would recommend you also do the one on the other side so you know they are both working at 100% and the vehicle doesn't start pulling the other way because you have done such a good job on that calliper that it is now more efficient than the one on the left

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickMc View Post
    If its pulling hard to the left, it may be as simple as the right hand front calliper sticking, it may be still working but if one or more of the dust seals have failed and dirt or dust has entered the calliper pot it may be fouling or sticking on the calliper bore causing drag. If you jack the vehicle up so both front wheels are in the air and have someone apply the brake pedal lightly and see if you can feel a difference in the force needed to rotate each tyre. There are machines around at various mechanics who can measure the braking efficiency as a percentage from one corner of your car to another.
    If you find that calliper is sticking, simply pull the calliper pistons out and give them a quick scotch bright, preferably in a lathe if you have access to one, make sure the calliper bore is free of any rubbish and smooth, then replace the cylinders with a new seal kit installed and a little bit of lube.
    If you rebuild the sticking calliper i would recommend you also do the one on the other side so you know they are both working at 100% and the vehicle doesn't start pulling the other way because you have done such a good job on that calliper that it is now more efficient than the one on the left
    As I said in the first post, doing your reasoning at the time I've changed all 4 brake calipers with 4 new and the problem is the same. Identical! Obviusly always the sistem as been well purged. The problem can't be the callipers

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    when it pulls to the left - what happens? Is the steering wheel pullign out of your hand - ie if you let go of the wheel does it start turning on it's own?

    If you hold the wheel straight - is it still pulling?

    If you brake to the point of wheel lock up on a gravel surface - does one wheel always lock up in preference to the others - does the ABS kick in?

    You don't mention brake pads - I assume these were changed?

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    Hi

    I have the exact same problem.

    I only got it after changing all brakes, rebuilding swivels (preload good) full polybush and new sumo bars with new ends. New BFG 255/85/16 mt. Wheel alignment set to zero. All parts oem or better.

    Standard height springs and std shocks, condition unknown.

    Normal braking no problem but when you brake harder it pulls to the right though, my Defender is LHD though? Braking really hard is sufficient to feel like rear steering and the front gets unsettled and locks the front right, maybe the centre bush on the rear axle?

    My plan now is to lock the steering box straight ahead, I have been told there is a screw to do this and check the steering is all adjusted correctly.

    Then renew the springs/shocks.

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    Have you checked the wheel bearings. You may have knock off. Even though you have done the disc's it may be a bit loose.
    Matt.

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    Just a guess as you've already tried so much, but could it be something to do with your tyres - maybe uneven wear, or differing weights or pressures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BilboBoggles View Post
    If you hold the wheel straight - is it still pulling?

    absolutely yes. The problem is evident driving on a straight road at a speed of 80 - 90km / h holding the steering wheel straight and braking


    Quote Originally Posted by BilboBoggles View Post

    If you brake to the point of wheel lock up on a gravel surface - does one wheel always lock up in preference to the others - does the ABS kick in?
    The ABS kick in, and on a gravel road i can't see if one wheel lock up more than other...

    Quote Originally Posted by BilboBoggles View Post

    You don't mention brake pads - I assume these were changed?
    Yes brand new original


    Quote Originally Posted by BilboBoggles View Post
    when it pulls to the left - what happens? Is the steering wheel pullign out of your hand - ie if you let go of the wheel does it start turning on it's own?
    It's a very good question... I would say NO. Holding the steering wheel and braking you feel that you are going to the left with the front of the car and indeed you find looking in this direction even if you are always holding the steering well straight. If you don't hold the wheel it tend to rotate a minumum to the left but is a minumum seen the entity of the swerve

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