The real reason Defenders don't have an ANCAP rating

**AussieAub** · 5th December 2014, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Loubrey

Was it last year that one fell down a cliff somewhere in Southern England and both people walked away unharmed?

No Lou, they jumped out before it got to the cliff edge.
Don't think anyone would have survived that, not even with airbags!

**pannawonica** · 5th December 2014, 10:36 AM

Plagiarism, is something I would never levy against MB. I wonder where they got their styling clues from.

What about the price?

**defender_i_hardly_know_er** · 10th December 2014, 05:02 PM

Sometimes I wonder how the defender would hold up after watching heaps of those dash cam videos...

You like to lie to yourself and think that you're the safest driver out there rar rar rargh then something like this happens:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xKRAadgHJk[/ame]

**KarlB** · 11th December 2014, 08:25 AM

Plenty of this stuff around. The first is the original ...

Cheers
KarlB

**tacr2man** · 12th December 2014, 04:53 AM

this is one of the cliff fall survivors , there have beenat least two that i recall ,
Land Rover Cliff Jumper

Didge · 13th December 2014, 11:09 PM

I think you'd find the Defender would perform pretty much the same as the Bel Air in this test
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g[/ame]
or the volvo
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCecdOBCFjI[/ame]
etc, etc - despite our love for our Defenders, etc there doesn't seem to be much evidence to suggest older designs are safer.
Yes, I know a smart car full of airbags isn't going to provide that much protection but neither will 2 tonnes of rigid frame that transfers all the energy to the occupants.

**lebanon** · 14th December 2014, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Didge

I think you'd find the Defender would perform pretty much the same as the Bel Air in this test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g
or the volvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCecdOBCFjI
etc, etc - despite our love for our Defenders, etc there doesn't seem to be much evidence to suggest older designs are safer.
Yes, I know a smart car full of airbags isn't going to provide that much protection but neither will 2 tonnes of rigid frame that transfers all the energy to the occupants.

That is why a new designed safer Defender is needed. The task is gigantic to keep the same shape with a modern design that offers crash safety for the occupants.

An external roll cage is on top of my priorities for the defender to answer in a way this issue.

**Jeff** · 14th December 2014, 07:12 AM

I don't believe the government propaganda that's why I have ordered one of the last Defenders, should be here in April.

Jeff

Didge · 14th December 2014, 07:14 AM

Wish I had the coin to do the same

**JDNSW** · 14th December 2014, 11:32 AM

Over the last thirty or so years, the motoring world has pushed crash survivability as the only criterion for safety. Admittedly there have been marked improvements in other areas, such as better brakes, better tyres, better steering, better suspension and handling, but these have been countered by steady increases in power/weight ratio, deteriorating driver vision, insulation of the driver from road conditions etc.

The Defender has a consistently good accident record, mainly, I suspect, because the major factor in accidents is the driver, and drivers that choose Defenders are generally safer drivers. But the low power/weight ratio and good vision for the driver undoubtedly help.

John

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