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  1. 16th February 2015, 09:14 PM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAT303 View Post
    Won't be a V8,my guess will be a range of engines to suit different markets,monocoque is a big leap over separate chassis/body,much stronger/rigid with less wieght,the reason aircraft/F1 cars etc use them.The new Defender will be a world beater IMHO,Land Rover are not restrained by using old bodies like the present model,it's based on the T5 floor pan which is as modern as you can get and you don't hear D4 owners whinging about it regarding cabin space or layout,off road ability or on road performance,the only people that whinge are the same people who whinge about P38 diff's or 19'' rims,it wouldn't matter what Land Rover did they would still find something to bitch about,I personally can't wait.. Pat
    Nicely put Pat, agreed it could be fantastic. Take your point in monocoque strength. But I'm not convinced yet that it will knock Toyota off its perch... We already have Discovery, but despite winning best 4x4 9 times in a row, it's still not making that big an inroad into 200/Prado. 'Project icon' would surely be going up against landcruiser, which would make it primarily a heavy duty commercial vehicle. I would be disappointed if it wasn't.
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  2. 16th February 2015, 09:36 PM #32
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    The Jeep has already given the Prado a kidney punch,people are waking up to it's dated design,with the LC the base spec model with the comfort pack was the ride of choice for the grey nomads,nice and simple with less wieght made them good van pullers,Icon with better suspension,more power and torque,better gearbox,even less wieght and much better interior layout would I feel steal the market,it would really hurt the dual cab segment. Pat
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    No matter how good it might be,without a bloody toyota badge on it sales will be slow.We all know toyota could put a badge on a turd and people would buy it,Oh thats right,been done,the fj cruiser and the rukus
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  4. 16th February 2015, 10:13 PM #34
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    Don't need market dominance to be excellent.
    That's capitalist thinking...

    Just quality & capable product manufactured in a quantity the company desires to make.
    As long as the punters purchase all you make, and you're making some cash to develop future models...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avion8 View Post
    Well I'm not happy with LR as a 61 year old 107 has real problems getting 700x16 tyres, they just don't plan far enough ahead in my opinion
    Exactly what were they thinking!

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  6. 17th February 2015, 02:29 PM #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Don't need market dominance to be excellent.
    That's capitalist thinking...

    Just quality & capable product manufactured in a quantity the company desires to make.
    As long as the punters purchase all you make, and you're making some cash to develop future models...
    The reason I'm so kurt with the knockers of the Freelander and Evoque,those two vehicles being the volume sellers have helped put LR in a position to be able to afford to develop project Icon. Pat
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAT303 View Post
    The reason I'm so kurt with the knockers of the Freelander and Evoque,those two vehicles being the volume sellers have helped put LR in a position to be able to afford to develop project Icon. Pat
    Agreed, the Evoque is a nice piece of kit.
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    I don't think Pat really said that he thought they (Freelander/Evoque) were " a nice piece of kit ".

    Quote Originally Posted by PAT303 View Post
    ........................................ those two vehicles being the volume sellers have helped put LR in a position to be able to afford to develop project Icon. Pat
    I still haven't figured out why LR kept the FL name after totally discrediting it with the FL1 and as for the Evoque IMO up there with the Tribeca and Ssangyong Musso as a contender for the ugliest 4WD ever built.

    But hey, whatever rows your boat and if sales of the (arguably) ugliest 4WD ever built provide the funds to develop the 'new' Defender well so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanoH View Post
    I don't think Pat really said that he thought they (Freelander/Evoque) were " a nice piece of kit ".



    I still haven't figured out why LR kept the FL name after totally discrediting it with the FL1 and as for the Evoque IMO up there with the Tribeca and Ssangyong Musso as a contender for the ugliest 4WD ever built.

    But hey, whatever rows your boat and if sales of the (arguably) ugliest 4WD ever built provide the funds to develop the 'new' Defender well so be it.

    Deano
    That's taste now isn't it :P

    I still like my defender best

    I wasn't disagreeing with you, I agree that it's good that htey are still working on the defender replacement.
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    I like the look of this. According to an online magazine it's supposed to be close to the production shape, but who knows ? how would they know ? unless they have a mole in Land Rover. I'm sure the actual design is a closely kept secret, but personally I'd be happy if it looked like this. I'll be sorry to see the traditional shape go, but it had to happen one day.

    I'd like to see the back view too as I'm sure it wont have the exposed rear chassis like the current Defender which makes it so easy to bolt things to (For example, a Rijidij dual wheel carrier )
    It will be a challenge to design accessories for, but it's also exiting looking at it.

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    I'd be very disappointed if it looked like this, for some reason it reminds me of an International Scout from the 60's ..................

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