The philosophical 2018 Land Rover Series VI / Defender / 'Icon'...

Ive heard it all now.
Andrew

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

None of which has anything whatsoever to do with Stockholm Syndrome, which is a horrific state of being experienced by people who are kidnapped.

The S&M reference to the location of a hand brake lever is equally inappropriate.

There is no place for any of the above in a thread about the philosophy of Land Rover ownership IMO.

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Originally Posted by MR LR

It was a Land Rover wave long before bloody Pumas (or Defenders) existed.

And Range Rovers in the early days exchanged headlight flashes (some still do), as they were one of the first things to get the dip switch on the stalk, not the floor.

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Will
I think I will revert to the olde days.A blast of bixenon high beams mixed with 150W of FYRLYTS when I see these humpmobile deefers.The poor fools driving them will be looking for Police for the next 50km:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
These modern bumpy bonnet owners only know about the wave because they saw it on the internet:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

Correct, but that was when Series Land Rovers were the only Land Rovers. When real Land Rovers were re-badged Defender, it became the Defender wave. Series Land Rover drivers know their waves are secure in their origins. Unlike Disco RR drivers. :p

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That personal insight is probably news to a lot of Landy owners (including Disco and Rangie drivers). It is not necessarily true, but thank you for the wonderful story anyway. :)

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Originally Posted by MR LR

It was a Land Rover wave long before bloody Pumas (or Defenders) existed.

And Range Rovers in the early days exchanged headlight flashes (some still do), as they were one of the first things to get the dip switch on the stalk, not the floor.

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And it was a VW Kombi wave before that, complete with a flash of high beam from the steering wheel mounted stalk. And mine was a '68 model. ;)

Could some post the link to the Disco wave thread, can't find it, :angel:
Did find the Defender wave thread of 81k, and Discos do get the odd mention there, odd is the operative word :wasntme:

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Originally Posted by numpty

And it was a VW Kombi wave before that, complete with a flash of high beam from the steering wheel mounted stalk. And mine was a '68 model. ;)

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The stalk headlight flasher was not uncommon on European cars well before the Rangerover. Citroen had it in 1967, and a slightly clumsier version in 1956. I am not sure, but I think my father's 1959 Simca had it too. But my 1955 Kombi did not.

John

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

The stalk headlight flasher was not uncommon on European cars well before the Rangerover. Citroen had it in 1967, and a slightly clumsier version in 1956. I am not sure, but I think my father's 1959 Simca had it too. But my 1955 Kombi did not.

John

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All of which are vehicles of unique character and camaraderie similar to the Series/Defender and as such the reason for waving/light flashing, which I believe will dissipate fast if it morphs into simply a Land Rover brand allegiance thing. Which brings me back to the context of this thread, the philosophical (as distinct from the mechanical or historical) nature of Series/Defender vehicles and whether with the next generation of Defenders this philosophy will change, along with the contemporary Land Rover ethos which has clearly shifted to a 90 percent bias toward to urban SUV mass production market. Is anyone interested in such a philosophical discussion? Or are we all content with Land Rover becoming as homogenous as all other SUV brands?

Well I for one would be content to see JLR remain as a successful business. The world needs innovative manufacturers like them.

The waving thing really comes down to relative scarcity. That can't be sustained in a modern vehicle because people who buy Land Rovers aren't prepared to pay the true cost of a vehicle made in such small numbers, that complies with current standards.

So just what do you propose JLR do?

Cheers,
Jon

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Originally Posted by jon3950

Well I for one would be content to see JLR remain as a successful business. The world needs innovative manufacturers like them.

The waving thing really comes down to relative scarcity. That can't be sustained in a modern vehicle because people who buy Land Rovers aren't prepared to pay the true cost of a vehicle made in such small numbers, that complies with current standards.

So just what do you propose JLR do?

Cheers,
Jon

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Almost sounds like your saying that only Defenders wave being scarce LAnd Rovers, whilst main stream Discovery's are not Land Rovers, and hence dont wave. :o