Thread: Puma 2.2 Engine oil, where it at?

Originally Posted by rick130

With your humidity, so would I.

You'll probably find 20,000km is 'normal' use in a temperate climate. (read Europe)
High humidity, dust, heat, stop/start city driving, off road use, towing, all bets are off and the oil change interval comes back.

Yep I tick all those boxes, high humidity, dust, heat (33C most of the year), off-road use, no towing as such but have carted heavy loads (750ish KG) from a 4-6hrs highway run then off into difficult jungle tracks.

So for me it's a no-brainer. No more than 10k oil change intervals...

Originally Posted by tact

Yep I tick all those boxes, high humidity, dust, heat (33C most of the year), off-road use, no towing as such but have carted heavy loads (750ish KG) from a 4-6hrs highway run then off into difficult jungle tracks.

So for me it's a no-brainer. No more than 10k oil change intervals...

Yup sounds like the go I think for long term ownership. Do you think it would be fine to just drop the oil and leave the filter for the 20k?

Originally Posted by AlecW

Yup sounds like the go I think for long term ownership. Do you think it would be fine to just drop the oil and leave the filter for the 20k?

You'll hear people squeal you can't do that, the filter will be blocked, or why use a dirty filter with clean oil, but IME it doesn't matter that much.

A full flow filter only catches big stuff, even the best (Donaldson, Cummins-Fleetguard, Mann-Hummel synthetic media versions) only filter to around 6 micron nominal. (beta2=6, or 50% of 6 micron particles)
Most OE versions with a cellulose media are no where near that efficient.

Even the manufacturers often follow the policy of change the oil but leave the filter.
Nissan used to call for 5,000km OCI's but 10,000km filter changes in the Patrol, even back in the 500PPM sulphur fuel days.

Of course if the filter is only about $10-$15 I'd swap it too.

FWIW I swap the filter with the oil in the Tdi, although I use either Donaldson or Fleetguard syn filters that cost a bit over $30 a pop.

Following on from the oil guru(and super fridgie),when the TD5 came out,oil changes were 20k,spin on filter was every 60k.
Although it did have the centrifugal filter that was to be done every 20k as well.

I dont change the filter on the D4 during the in between services, oil changes,i don't think it needs to be done.

Originally Posted by AlecW

Yup sounds like the go I think for long term ownership. Do you think it would be fine to just drop the oil and leave the filter for the 20k?

My personal practice is to do filter with every oil change (10k km). They are not expensive and on the TDCi (Puma) very easy to access and change. Again likely overkill and I wouldn't be the slightest bit upset if ever it were inconvenient and filter change had to be skipped now and then.

As well as all the environmental matters already mentioned (heat, dust, stop-start traffic etc), I forgot to mention that I am running a BAS 170AB tune as well - which gets a workout on the odd occasion. Another factor pointing me to 10k oil services.

Originally Posted by tact

I have switched to Penrite HPR5 full synthetic. This has the requisite specs
(WSS-M2C913-B or C) for the 2.2 non DPF

Penrite HPR diesel is semi-synthetic and doesn't have the magic spec numbers

Just found out the above is incorrect. HPR Diesel (semi-syn) does list the required spec for the 2.2 TDCi (no DPF)

Originally Posted by tact

Just found out the above is incorrect. HPR Diesel (semi-syn) does list the required spec for the 2.2 TDCi (no DPF)

So both the full synth and semi are suitable?

Originally Posted by AlecW

So both the full synth and semi are suitable?

Others in here really know their oils at a deep level. I just content myself with seeking oils that at least mention the Ford oil spec that is in the handbook/manual for my TDCi 2.2l non-DPF engine. (That sounds pompous or pedantic - sorry. The spec is different if DPF is fitted)

That spec (my vehicle) is:
5W/30 - WSS-M2C913-B or C

Both these Penrite oils mention that spec:
"HPR5" 5W-40 (full syn)
From the website:
Full synthetic engine oil for use in the latest generation of high performance engines, including many light duty diesel engines, especially those from Europe, as well as LPG engines. Contains Full Zinc and Penrite's Extra Ten technology.
Suitable where SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 oils are recommended. May also be used in applications requiring ACEA A5/B5 or A1/B1 engine oils.
Suitable for four stroke motorcycles with wet clutches.

Key Specifications: API SN/CF, ACEA A3/B4, MB-Approval 229.5, BMW LL-01, JASO MA1, Ford M2C912-A/913-A/913-B/913-C/913-D

"HPR Diesel 5". 5W-40 (semi-syn)
From the website:

HPR DIESEL 5 exceeds the requirements of API CI-4 PLUS/SL and ACEA A3/B4/E7 as well as many manufacturers' requirements. It can be used where SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40 & SAE 10W-30 grade oils were originally recommended by the manufacturer. It is also suitable for use where fuel economy specifications ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5 and Global DLD-2 are specified in the owners handbook.

Key Specifications:
API CI-4 PLUS/SL
ACEA A3/B4/E7
MB 228.3/229.3
VW 502.00/505.00
JASO DH-1
Global DLD-2/DLD-3
Ford M2C153-H/171-C/913-B/913-C. ( <---- the bit I failed to see in an earlier post)

So it looks like either oil would suffice. Let's see what the experts advise in the other (oil colour) thread regarding which may be better.