Thread: Gracie. DISASTER. Transmission Failure.

The trouble with the TDCi is back in the beginning when we stared having the backlash issue every tom dick and harry expert blamed either the P38 or the centre diff,the diff's where never the problem,the problem was always the axle flanges and the adapter.Replace the flanges as soon as you get the vehicle and at the first service get LR to remove the transfer and grease the adapter,if they don't do it leave it there until they do,this should not happen but it does,get these two issue's fixed and drive happy.If you decide to keep the vehicle for a long time make the decision to fit an ATB and oil lubed adapter from Ashcrofts and the problem is properly and permanently fixed. Pat

Originally Posted by rick130

A little thread drift, how are you blokes finding the shift quality on the MT82 ?

Just started a new job this week and my car is a near new BT50 with the 3.2 and the MT82 behind it.
I'm finding the 'box clunky and easy to beat the synchros in certain gears, and I'm shifting gently, not rushing the changes at all.
Nice short throw and a narrow gate, but an awful change IMO.
Datsun/Nissan 'boxes from the seventies/eighties put it to shame.

The 3.2 throttle response is strange (bloody fly by wire throttles) but it's ballsy and sounds bloody brilliant from inside the cab.

Not sure how it would go off road but trying to work out if the company would miss the engine if it found it's way into the Deefer.

Hi Rick , I always said this engine should have been on offer as a option over the standard 2.2 lt . I like the 2.2 don't get me wrong , but maybe those extra horses would have been a nice option !!.. Jim

I've just test driven both auto and manual BT-50s and found the same with the manual gearbox. The auto was very smooth and would be my pick to replace the Defender.
But, after the test drive the Deafener felt that much stronger and steadier on the road I've decided not to bother getting rid of it at the mo......
I'm also getting the independent I use to give the drive line a thorough check and give a quote for an Ashcroft replacement output shaft and maybe an ATB.
The reason I'm thinking of spending the dough doing this upgrade is because a mate with his 2007 110 had his shaft let go at Balladonia WA after returning from the east. Him and his wife have done many thousands of kays on their own with total confidence in the Puma. Needless to say that confidence has been shattered and who can blame them?
When the stealer was trying to fix my backlash plus fitting a new transfer box, I had to beg the workshop foreman to make sure the shaft was greased properly while they could.
His answer was "It's not a service item....." !!!!!! "We know that (you turkey) as it can't be got at during a service but how about doing it anyway"?
My drive is reasonably smooth with good changes now but I've still got this nagging feeling about that damn shaft......
AlanH.

Go to another dealer,Barbagallo's replaced mine 3 months out of warranty,I didn't get the service item line,there is no need for all this confidence shattering talk,it's a known issue,fix it and move on.Lets not let this get into a TDCi knockers thread,these two problems are no different to what we went through with the Tdi and Td5 when they were new,all up the TDCi is a much stronger vehicle than both,people just have sort memories. Pat

I'm a huge Land Rover fan but this is why people move away from Land Rovers. Tom Sheppard was a frequent traveller & explorer to isolated locations throughout the world with Land Rover products; he was let down once too often so moved to Merc G Wagons, more recently like the Australian Army have done.
Forums like this one are a huge help as are specialist LR service garages. I think the only way to go is to do alot of preventative maintenance ahead of time including adding known fixes eg Ashcroft add ons etc.
I'm in the process of doing this with my 90 as I'm now keeping it for longer than expected given the huge cost and rarity for any new ones left!!

Originally Posted by aj90

I'm a huge Land Rover fan but this is why people move away from Land Rovers. Tom Sheppard was a frequent traveller & explorer to isolated locations throughout the world with Land Rover products; he was let down once too often so moved to Merc G Wagons, more recently like the Australian Army have done.

That's not the reason the army moved away from LR

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Attached is Photo of the culprit, was changed about a year ago when I hassled LR into replacing my clutch at their expense, then about 3months later that clutch was rubbish again and they replaced whole clutch kit again at their expense, output shaft was in new condition no wear at all and covered in grease still. I now have a good clutch that feels 10 times better than the first 2 and I'm not worried about this output shaft stripping on me.
The application of grease is all that it needs, if it hasn't been done make them do it, if you get a bad part that is faulty make them replace it, you've got every right to do so.

Lube or replace your shaft and keep your Defender. All makes have their problems. I know of a new Amarok that needed a new gear box within 10K, Tojo 78' needing new gearbox / diffs within 30K... There would be countless other examples.

As others have said there's no excuse for JLR not to have fixed known problems, which is why demanding warranty fixes is imperative. Keep them honest. Go to a different dealer if no support.

I'm monitoring my backlash, it's getting worse at 45K. Will call a meeting with dealer service manager without hesitation if gets much worse and also considering pre-emptive action to have input shaft changed at next service. I'd much rather do that than change to another vehicle, let alone the changeover cost.

IMO preemptive maintenance repays in spades, whether it's upgrading radiator, new water pump, uni joints, hoses, belts, tyres, whatever.

The two known Defender issues identified here can be fixed for peace of mind. Input shaft is only seen as major because it's a gearbox out fix/mod. No one here would think twice about spending same money on a bullbar, upgrading shocks, rear wheel carrier, or any other functional bling/mod/upgrade. Better to know the key issues and fix than not to know and be surprised. Another reason why the AULRO clan is so awesome.

Cheers