Unsafe bull bars

**Bytemrk** · 12th July 2016, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by p38arover

Are those square slots for a hilift jack?

Exactly Ron.

I think that is a Defender Bar, but the shackles are added in the highlift jack mount points - that is one reason the bar is rotating.

What year is that Defender? The ARB site lists that Bar as suitable for 2009 - present. ( Earlier Defenders have a different Bar.)

It's hard to tell from the other photos if the bar has been installed correctly or not... but it was definitely never designed to pulled with a snatch strap down there.

I'd get the installation checked by ARB, but I'd still consider jate rings or similar.

**weeds** · 12th July 2016, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dervish

I'm not sure if you two are serious, but that is a Defender ARB Deluxe bar.

Umm.......I was looking at the way it's been mounted to the chassis, maybe I should have said its not mounted correctly.......

If it's been mounted correctly than I stand corrected as I didn't realize they have changed things on the puma

Tombie · 12th July 2016, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by weeds

That not a defender bar.......

It might have an ARB sticker but I doubt ARB fitted it.......

Yes it is... Here's another member with one..

Tombie · 12th July 2016, 07:18 PM

In the OPs case.

A)It was used for recovery when it's not designed for attachment at that point.

It looks to have been poorly installed.

**weeds** · 12th July 2016, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Yes it is... Here's another member with one..

Yeah yeah yeah.........my bad, hard to tell on my iPhone but what doesn't look right the the mounting to the chassis....need a photo looking down from the top.......

But I should but out as I'm not familiar with Pumas.

**p38arover** · 12th July 2016, 07:25 PM

I haven't had a Defender (I had a County) but wouldn't one want to recover from points in line with the chassis?

Muppet mentions eyebolts - my RRC had eyebolts in line with chassis but I don't know if they were suitable for snatching.

**Disco Muppet** · 12th July 2016, 07:31 PM

These are what I have Ron.
They've seen me hauled up rock faces, being dragged out of a deep muddy table drain, and dragging my FILs cruiser out when I sat it on its chassis.

These where what I was flat towed with, using a bridle strap. You can see the two bolts through the crush cans on the sides, plus there's the vertical one.
I only use the eyelets on the bullbar for securing my winch hook, or things like light duty dragging of things like trailers around the yard, some plant removal, although for larger stuff I go to the recovery points.
I also replace the bolts after big hits/recoveries, or at the least inspect, realign, and tighten.
But I'm pedantic

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**Bytemrk** · 12th July 2016, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by p38arover

I haven't had a Defender (I had a County) but wouldn't one want to recover from points in line with the chassis?

Exactly why I suggested Jate Rings and a bridle....what ever you do, you don't want to pull on one chassis rail only

schuy1 · 12th July 2016, 08:44 PM

well that would have to be the most horrible fitment imaginable if it is a correct for model bar. Aint no way in a month of sunday hangovers would I fit that bar. It looks like a snowplough off a Kenworth!! And would behave the same in a mudhole I suspect.

**4wheeler** · 12th July 2016, 08:52 PM

ARB make good equipment. I had the later series bar fitted to my 2007 Defender and it was one of the first fitted when they came out around 2010 from memory. I have the older style bar fitted to my 2013 Defender. From memory the mounting system looks right to me for that style bar. The older style bar has a simpler chassis mount.

The problem is that Land Rover built the Defender with such large tolerances that the bar designers have to have a large degree of variability built into their mounting plates etc. just so they can mount them up. You just have to look at a lot of the fittings that bolt to the chassis to see there is a good deal tolerance so they can fit them.

I have frequently found that the mounting bolts need to be re-tightened or at least checked as they can be in need of a tightening up at times - not just Defender but all bars. Obviously check the specifications with the supplier of the bar.

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