Unsafe bull bars

**Summiitt** · 17th July 2016, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by jimr1

Hi , I still have both ARB winch bars , The earlier winch bar is a better bar than the later Delux bar . For those that don't know it comes as a one piece bar , you have to drill extra holes in the chasse They sit further forward , have better access to the winch spool lever , and can see the cable , or rope a lot better . They are very well made and very strong . The Delux Bar comes in 3 pieces , with sims to get the thing level , So the front part of the bar is held on by bolts to the two chasse mounts , Also it sits very close to the front grill . The bar is heavy and well made also , but is poor designed . When I talked to ARB about some issues I was having , they weren't very interested . That was a big disappointment . I think I might get the front welded to the two chasse mounts making a lot stronger , that would stop it twisting back into the front of my truck , Also if it was winching . I do like the look of the Delux bar over the earlier bar , but there is nowhere to put the winch hook ? Jim .

Your hook should fit into the recovery points within the highlife jack mount on your delux bar or put a shackle onto it..

**jimr1** · 20th July 2016, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Summiitt

Your hook should fit into the recovery points within the highlife jack mount on your delux bar or put a shackle onto it..

I know you can fit a shackle , What I should have said is , as we all know the earlier bar has two tie down loops as part of the bar . The Delux doesn't have these loops or holes that the winch hook fits into . My hook does fit into the high lift jacking point , but I don't like it there as much as the earlier loop . Simply because you have to put a bit more load on the cable to get the hook to stay in place !!.. Jim

Tombie · 20th July 2016, 03:42 PM

You shouldn't hook like that anyway.

All line should be retracted into the hawse.

Hooking on leaves the first foot or two exposed and induces a weak point - especially if using synthetic.

**jimr1** · 22nd July 2016, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

You shouldn't hook like that anyway.

All line should be retracted into the hawse.

Hooking on leaves the first foot or two exposed and induces a weak point - especially if using synthetic.

Hi , I can understand having a foot of plasma rope hanging out of the front wouldn't be good for the rope , Grit stones , sun ect . I have a steel rope . I don't like just the hook sticking out the front , I liked how It fitted quiet nice on the older bar loop out of the way . I don't like the cable being to tight on the drum especially if the cable isn't wound on in layers , as they never rewind like that . Jim..

Tombie · 22nd July 2016, 04:48 PM

Same problem with SWR sitting out the front..
Doesn't need to be tight either just enough to keep hook sideways against hawse

Only passing on experience and advice. To each their own...

I keep my hook in the vehicle and the rope attached up front with a cable tie - that way any failure causing it to take off only results in just a simple snapped cable tie and flat battery...

**jimr1** · 22nd July 2016, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Same problem with SWR sitting out the front..
Doesn't need to be tight either just enough to keep hook sideways against hawse

Only passing on experience and advice. To each their own...

I keep my hook in the vehicle and the rope attached up front with a cable tie - that way any failure causing it to take off only results in just a simple snapped cable tie and flat battery...

I like that idea of keeping the hook in the vehicle , After all that's where the control should live . To be honest I don't use my winch very much . Most use it's had is helping other people out , I think I'm drifting off topic !!.. Jim

**strangy** · 23rd July 2016, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by jimr1

I like that idea of keeping the hook in the vehicle , After all that's where the control should live . To be honest I don't use my winch very much . Most use it's had is helping other people out , I think I'm drifting off topic !!.. Jim

I like this too.
I fitted up my current shape ARB bar to the Defender a few weeks ago. I m quite happy with the fit up and strength of the whole assembly.
It does sit close to everything but certainly no closer than other vehicle/bar combos.

**jimr1** · 23rd July 2016, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by strangy

I like this too.
I fitted up my current shape ARB bar to the Defender a few weeks ago. I m quite happy with the fit up and strength of the whole assembly.
It does sit close to everything but certainly no closer than other vehicle/bar combos.

I found I had to fit one shim , on drivers side , and 3 on the passenger side . I'm having new shims made that are 10mm and 4mm thick covering a larger area than the ARB ones , this will put the bar just a little further forward , and that will suit me , plus give me just a bit more room to get to spool lever !!.. Jim

**Blknight.aus** · 24th July 2016, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Same problem with SWR sitting out the front..
Doesn't need to be tight either just enough to keep hook sideways against hawse

Only passing on experience and advice. To each their own...

I keep my hook in the vehicle and the rope attached up front with a cable tie - that way any failure causing it to take off only results in just a simple snapped cable tie and flat battery...

I do something similar, the hooks velcro'd to the controller and a shackle under the drivers seat and the cable has a rope tied through the eyelet thats then tied to the bar work, the cables then wound on until the rope is "tight" which is usually 1-2 wraps of the drum with the rope.

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