brakes this time, of course

**PAT303** · 29th October 2016, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by newhue

have replaced the brake fluid every 24 months from new. So why is then the wifes 13 year old ford focus with 240K never had brake, clutch, or gear box issues. Before that her generation 2 chuck away hyundai excel with 10 years of life and 170K never had issues. And my old HJ 47 troopy never had issues with 400K on it.

I will let you blokes in landy land think they are something to behold, and yes I wish I did buy a toyota. But this heap of junk will be the first and last LR I ever buy. I don't mind saying I made a mistake, I should not have bought it, and perhaps all the rubbishing they get just might have merit.
You can produce all the rubbish you like on toyota, but we're looking about 2000 sales per month each for Land Cruiser and Hilux, verse 40 defenders. And I'd have a bet of those 40 defenders 3/4 of them have pathetic issue.
Yes if the wife would let me trade it in on a Land Cruiser I would, but I spent too much money accessorising it when new caught up in the Defender bubble.
I know it hurts to realise you actually know the truth as well, but its easier to keep flying the flag hey.

And if you go over to the Toyota forum there's people there replacing $15,000 engines wishing they'd bought a Nissan,people on the Nissan forum replacing $15,000 engines wishing they'd bought a Toyota and people on here replacing $7 caliper pistons or complete calipers for a wallet busting $43 wishing they'd bought a Hyundai.I'd like to stay and talk but I have to drive over to my mates place in either of my two POS defenders and talk about what he needs to do about his wonderfully reliable Land Cruiser,the same one that broke down on the Anne Beadell twice a month back that my unreliable POS defender rescued.The rear main is leaking causing the clutch to slip,it also has the gearbox/transfer leak LC/Hilux's have suffered from for the last 30 years,he needs to decide whether he pulls the lot and spends more than the vehicle is worth to fix both leaks,2nd gear grates also,they've only done that for 25 years so more money.All of this on top of the bucket load he has spent on it fixing all the as you put it ''pathetic'' problems like replacing the Denso alternator,suspension,the wonderfull LC single piston calipers that seized up 6 weeks ago,but yeh,I'm in denial

. Pat

**newhue** · 29th October 2016, 04:31 PM

gee Pat, bit sensitive there. We all know you are so proud of Land Rover, they could do almost anything to you and you would still love them. But remember its only a company.

I'm just saying I've had enough of mine. It continually has issues and has done since day 2. If I could be bothered typing all its issues one would have to say my my, but I also sense its not just me.
Yes it has moments of being a good reliable car, but on the whole compared to other vehicles I have had, I have my hand in my pocket far more with this one than any other marc. Yes a calliper piston kit it $220, however the wife's focus only ever had pads and rotors, never had the fluid changed in 13 years and no leaks. Anyway, anytime you are prepared to put your hard earnt down on a defender mine will be available. Only done 165K with a long list of cool accessories.

So I guess bugger honing the callipers.......

**Gordie** · 29th October 2016, 05:33 PM

I love my Landies, warts n all....I love my triumph motorbikes, warts n all....my mrs loves me, warts n all(I think)....

I also love having a Honda motorcycle with Japanese reliability, which I can basically 'neglect and ride'.

Basically it is 'horses for courses', I know that owning british engineering means that I will be in for repairs and maintenance. If that outweighed the pleasure of owning them, then I would sell them.

Just like jobs I have had, if I don't like them anymore...I leave!! Cheers:-)

**Bytemrk** · 29th October 2016, 06:57 PM

Very well summed up Gordie....

I think a lot of us feel the same.

**Plutei** · 29th October 2016, 07:00 PM

"I will let you blokes in landy land think they are something to behold"

"I know it hurts to realise you actually know the truth as well, but its easier to keep flying the flag hey."

"gee Pat, bit sensitive there"

Hey mate, I understand you're having a **** time with the car; it sucks dealing with things that shouldn't be a problem, but while Land Rovers might not be the most reliable and everyone is in their right to criticise a product, there's no need to take it out on people who love them or presume that we're all having **** times ourselves. People are glad to help on here, just keep it friendly

**Svengali0** · 29th October 2016, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by newhue

gee Pat, bit sensitive there. We all know you are so proud of Land Rover, they could do almost anything to you and you would still love them. But remember its only a company.

I'm just saying I've had enough of mine. It continually has issues and has done since day 2. If I could be bothered typing all its issues one would have to say my my, but I also sense its not just me.
Yes it has moments of being a good reliable car, but on the whole compared to other vehicles I have had, I have my hand in my pocket far more with this one than any other marc. Yes a calliper piston kit it $220, however the wife's focus only ever had pads and rotors, never had the fluid changed in 13 years and no leaks. Anyway, anytime you are prepared to put your hard earnt down on a defender mine will be available. Only done 165K with a long list of cool accessories.

So I guess bugger honing the callipers.......

Mate I had a few L/R products. I know what to expect. I've had a Benz cars wagons and 4WDs. Ive had a few Pugs and Alfas and fiats and Citroen too- I loved them all but some were 'issued' sufficient to sell on- i know what to expect. I tow and carry heavy stuff with my re powered 130 defender up hill and down dale. It is work in progress but also a useful and productive hobby.
This forum is a place for people whom like their Landrovers and as Pat said, go to any other forum and you will find unhappy campers finding their way through the troubles with help of colleagues and fellow enthusiasts.
Not many posters on any forum proceed to compare their dedicated vehicle to some sort of road car.
I guess that is both etiquette and manners and a certain degree of wisdom if not insight.
Therefore, the question remains why someone would compare their shopping trolley to dedicated proper four wheel drive utility type vehicle??
Its not like the runs are not on the board. Some 4wds are better at terrain negotiation off the shelf. Some of better overlanders. Some are better on fuel and some are better at carrying loads. Few are the peer of a Landrover for seeking to effectively design and produce vehicles that fit most of these specifications well enough to deserve the reputation they have and this is well established.
If you don't like the food, go to another restaurant. If you lack the wit to find solutions to basic or not so basic issues and find yourself shelling out sums of money - perhaps you might be happier with a Korean or Japanese contraption trading up on new models as they arrive.
if your interests are more than this, then get used to working stuff out for yourself and quit whinging and start doing. If you need help or advice, ask.
HTH
cheers steu

**newhue** · 29th October 2016, 09:29 PM

fair enough. I find it odd however the die hards can attack but I am accused of the same actions. Just as odd that if I criticise the sacred defernder then its known no need to hang around here. Warts and all hey....well I didn't buy a enthusiast car, I bought LR's work horse commercial, you know the one they market it as. And I have given up peering at it through rose coloured glasses a long time ago.

I won't start on the LR replaced transfer case that's only 70K old and leaks already. That would be improper and disrespectful of me.

And Svengali0, still no one has answered my question, I was doing and asking for help. But I got attacked because I whinged about a car. A product made by a company for nothing more than profits.
But I will save you all the frustration and depart. I'll whinge at LR instead as to why it intermittently does''t start again, just sadly now out of warranty. However the same problem it had on day 2, and took LR 8 weeks to fix.

But forgive me, I am sorry for saying anything negative about the sacred defender.

**incisor** · 30th October 2016, 08:24 AM

May be some people need to have a little think about how they go about getting their point across to other people...

Sadly people read the same set of words many different ways..

**weeds** · 30th October 2016, 09:29 AM

Hey Jas....do you need a hand with with calipers?? I'm happy to drop over........if the moons align

Don't forget the engineers probably designed it as a weak leak....designed to fail before some more expensive fails

**1nando** · 30th October 2016, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by newhue

fair enough. I find it odd however the die hards can attack but I am accused of the same actions. Just as odd that if I criticise the sacred defernder then its known no need to hang around here. Warts and all hey....well I didn't buy a enthusiast car, I bought LR's work horse commercial, you know the one they market it as. And I have given up peering at it through rose coloured glasses a long time ago.

I won't start on the LR replaced transfer case that's only 70K old and leaks already. That would be improper and disrespectful of me.

And Svengali0, still no one has answered my question, I was doing and asking for help. But I got attacked because I whinged about a car. A product made by a company for nothing more than profits.
But I will save you all the frustration and depart. I'll whinge at LR instead as to why it intermittently does''t start again, just sadly now out of warranty. However the same problem it had on day 2, and took LR 8 weeks to fix.

But forgive me, I am sorry for saying anything negative about the sacred defender.

Mate I understand your frustration. Ive had mine for 4 years and tge first 2 were terrible. 3 rear diffs, 2 gearboxes, transfer case, front and rear taukshaft blah....blah blah etc. This was all becuase of rear flanges beleive it or not....credit to LR for throwing everything at it to try and satisfy my concerns.
The last 2 years have been worry free. In sating that ive currently got a click noise when i drive off which wasnt there until i put the elocker and axles in. I didnt need to put these in i just choose to modify to improve any likely hood of something happening. According to Graeme Cooper the click usnt anything to worry about and they'll look at it next service.
My truck has been solid, always got me home and never left me stranded. Its been worry free the last 2 years and this Christmas we are going to Melbourne and then the great ocean rd to adelaide and i expect i comfortable and worry free journey, i have every confidence in my truck.
I agree that LR could have done a better quality control job as some people drive for years without any issue and others like yourself have a hard time.....
Either way i wish you all the best mate

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