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    120 Ute vs branch & other disasters

    Spent the last couple of weeks touring the Vic High Country with my partner Jane and a friend. On a less frequented track near the Crooked River I managed to hit a branch that punched through the driver's side vent. A combination of the particular angle of the branch and it's position in heavy shade on a brightly lit track meant none of us saw it. Luckily I was going pretty slowly and no-one was hurt. Ute was ok to drive, although the bulkhead - as you would imagine - is badly damaged.

    We finished that trek and stayed the night in Bright. Jane had a chat to a friendly guy with a bright yellow 6x6 pinzgauer staying the same motel as us (I was still in bed recovering from drowning my sorrows the previous night at the Bright Brewery). Next day we got about 20km out of town and it seems something failed in the transfercase. Dropped out of hi-range, then wouldn't engage high or low range for more than a few seconds, horrible noises, etc. Also leaking oil. Ute is currently at a mechanic in Bright. Gearbox has 600k klm on it, so it's probably false economy to have him rebuild the transfercase, even assuming no damaged to the case. Best option I guess is to locate a good / reco'd Lt95, ship it to Bright and have him fit it. If anyone has any suggestions on where I might find a replacement gearbox I would be happy to hear them. (I've put an ad in the Wanted section).

    And once that is done, and the ute is home, I can start searching for a replacement bulkhead
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    As you say - lucky you were going slowly and that no one was hurt!
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    Bloody hell...close call.

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    Glad you are all OK. Don't forget to get the seat covers replaced as part of the insurance claim

    With the transfer, I'd get the mechanic to have a quick look at what's happened before jumping into an unproven "new" box. I'd think 1-1.5hrs labour would be plenty to drop the bottom cover plate, have a quick look and report back.

    The sudden oil leak is a concern as the LT95 has been known to have center diff bolts come loose and grenade the case. Hopefully not on yours.

    Transfer is pretty simple unit, and I'm sure you'd get hold of enough used bits to get it mobile for minimal cost if the case isn't stuffed.

    There are apparently more Perentie gearboxes coming up at the auctions in the next couple of weeks, but even if you bought one I'd think long and hard about swapping it if your main box is fine. IMO you're likely better to pull the TRB guts out of a Perentie transfer and fit it to yours rather than take a gamble on an unknown condition main box.

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    Good advice Steve, thanks; I'll have the mechanic take a look and take it from there.

    I'd be cautious about an ex-auction box too. I'm guessing there's a good reason they are not in a vehicle....

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    Pleased to hear you are all ok. That was a close call!
    As Steve said, I would get the spanner man to drop the bottom plate off the transfer case and have a look for the problem rather than going through the replacement box scenario. Most likely it will be the thrust shims on the intermediate shaft worn enough to let the gears float back and forwards on the shaft and disengage under load (with a loud BANG). Yours is not a Tapered roller bearing transfer case is it?
    If it is only the intermediate shaft and you can get hold of the bits you need (I would probably have enough good used ones here if you know which ones you need) it shouldn't cost a lot to get it going. Later on you could look at the reco box with a TRB intermediate shaft. Give me a call first - I should have a reco Army box available in a month or so...Brian
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    Wow close!!! The pinz owner is a local down here, a marine mech. Great fellow and has a beaut 130 defender he uses for work.

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    Thanks for all the reply guys. I'll call the mechanic tomorrow, and post back the results. I have all the manuals / parts diagrams so shouldn't be too hard to identify the needed bits and have him rebuild the intermediate shaft (which is the standard roller bearing type).

    Brian, I'll definitely follow up on your reco army box, thanks.

    And Justin, I though you might know the pinz owner, since the Pinz had tassie rego, and Jane said he also had a D130 . Are you the guru for Pinzs as well as Land Rovers in the Apple Isle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eeyore View Post
    Thanks for all the reply guys. I'll call the mechanic tomorrow, and post back the results. I have all the manuals / parts diagrams so shouldn't be too hard to identify the needed bits and have him rebuild the intermediate shaft (which is the standard roller bearing type).

    Brian, I'll definitely follow up on your reco army box, thanks.

    And Justin, I though you might know the pinz owner, since the Pinz had tassie rego, and Jane said he also had a D130 . Are you the guru for Pinzs as well as Land Rovers in the Apple Isle?
    Ha no not at all!! Ian does his own Pinz stuff😊 it is an impressive vehicle in the rough going! Especially in the snow 😮

    Jc
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    Righto, mechanic has (finally) taken a look. I explicitly asked him to drop the TC cover plate and report back on the damage. Somehow, that's been interpreted as dropping the gearbox . No wonder it took so long!! Anyway, looks like the transfercase has been running without oil. It's always leaked a bit from around the cap on the intermediate shaft and the output housing / main case joint - but it must have got far worse in the last 5K klm between top ups. The fact that wasn't a lot of oil coating the underside when it broke down, makes me wonder if it's been pumping it into the gearbox. If it has, it must be a new development because I've been aware of possibility of this problem developing, so at gearbox oil change intervals have always opened the filler plug first to see if it's overfull.

    Mechanic hasn't stripped the intermediate shaft down yet but a quick inspection found the gears might be still ok, one thrust washer in bits at the bottom of the case, and a slightly 'blued' selector shaft. Select operation for hi-low-neutral still works fine. Nothing's exploded so no damage to the housing.

    Now the original idea was just to have the intermediate shaft quickly and relatively cheaply rebuilt just to drive it home, and then decide what to do in long term. Ironically, prior to this trip I was planning to have the intermediate shaft inspected / rebuilt & have the centre diff rebuilt (I have an Aschroft single piece cross pin to go in). However as the gearbox is now out, it's become a question of whether or not it's worth having the TC rebuilt and the gearbox re-fitted, or just get a reco'd box. At a minimum, and especially considering it's run without oil, I would think that the TC would require:

    1. Strip down, inspect, rebuild intermediate shaft / output shaft / centre diff.

    2. Address leak around intermediate shaft cap. As I understand it, this requires machining and re-sleeving the case housing as a it wears out of round, so a new o-ring is not enough. Does this mean a complete strip down to a bare housing for machining? If this is so, then I think it's a deal-breaker on repairing this gearbox for me.

    So, given the likely cost of all that on a gearbox with 600K klm on it, and that I've already been committed to paying labour for a gearbox remove & refit, my guess is I'd be better to source a reco'd LT95A (hello Mr Bearman ) and have the mechanic fit that. What do people think? I'd rather have a LR specialist fit it - and fit the winch PTO from the old box to the new - but it might be cost prohibitive to pay for a gearbox remove & refit twice, plus the cost of the intermediate shaft rebuild to enable to be driven to said specialist.
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