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    MY16 Puma blinker early cancellation

    Hi All,

    I have a MY16 Puma 90 with 16k kms on it and recently the blinker has begun cancelling when turning into a corner as opposed to when the wheel is returning to centre. Was perfect when brand new, but has deteriorated to the point where it happens at least half a dozen times a day. Now there are threads out there outlining possible causes for the blinker self cancelling which I understand, but I'm still under warranty. I'm getting the blinker switch replaced by JLR however they were highly resistant to it stating that 'its a characteristic of the vehicle' and 'its 50 year old tech' amongst other excuses for why I should just live with it.

    I wanted to gauge other peoples reactions to this situation, as I feel its not only a legal but also a safety issue. For instance if it cancels as im turning right at a roundabout the oncoming car could easily think that ive changed my mind to go straight and then come out in front of me, and given that the blinker is on the gear lever side im not always in a position to reenable it quickly because im changing gears and turning. If an accident occurs my only defense is that the dealer said its a characteristic of the vehicle??

    I personally think their stance is ridiculous as I find it hard to believe that everyone here with defenders older than a few months have the same issue. This type of failure should only show after decades of use, not months in my opinion.

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    I have it with my 2016 110 and have had it driving Australian Army Perentie. It is a characteristic of the Defender and I always keep my hand near the indicator to put it back on when it clicks off. I usually find it's more pronounced when the vehicle is colder for some reason but I live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg4427 View Post
    I have it with my 2016 110 and have had it driving Australian Army Perentie. It is a characteristic of the Defender and I always keep my hand near the indicator to put it back on when it clicks off. I usually find it's more pronounced when the vehicle is colder for some reason but I live with it.
    Its true its more pronounced when cold in mine aswell, but its not exactly a complex system and the same works fine on countless other makes and models of car. There has to be an explanation for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graekynn View Post
    Hi All,

    I have a MY16 Puma 90 with 16k kms on it and recently the blinker has begun cancelling when turning into a corner as opposed to when the wheel is returning to centre.
    Mine is a 2013 model with about 65,000 km
    on the clock. It has never pulled the early signal cancel stunt. I'd hazard a guess many others can say the same. Assuming so then clearly it isn't something to be written off blithely as a "characteristic" of the vehicle.
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    On the switch mech there are two white tabs which ratchet in one direction of the steering wheel, and catch in the other direction, cancelling the indicator stalk switch. Only one of these tabs is presented when the indicator is on left, or right.
    There's some funky stuff happening inside the switch (springs, ball detents, brass roller contacts etc) so it can be pulled apart and serviced to some extent, but the switch proper may be the only part that is commercially available.

    I'd start by removing the steering wheel and gaining access to the blinker mechanism, and looking at the white tabs, ensuring they are not broken or missing. From there you may be able to work out your options. Worst case, it's a 70 dollar part and about an hours labour (free if you DIY!)

    I'm just going off an autopsy of a switch I have here, so not 100% sure how it interfaces with the steering wheel.
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    16k's on the clock and something isn't fit for purpose and they call it a "Characteristic" is BS.
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    Even so, it appears OP has some choices to make:
    1) Pursue warranty (which the vehicle is under)
    2) Fix it at his/her own cost
    3) Accept it and wear all consequences, if any.
    Yes the switch may not be up to par with modern offerings, but let's face it- Defender (if you know what I mean). You want simple- the vehicle IS simple. You could literally rebuild the blinker mech out of fencing wire and solder if you needed to!

    My opinion is that it's a (relatively) cheap part that could prevent a very costly problem (fines for not indicating or an accident which could worst case cause death of occupant or other road user). So in my mind, it's a relatively simple proposition of attempting recourse thru steps 1-3 above, in that order.
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    I have the same issue, cancels too soon in one direction, and way too late ( occasionally never ) in the other.
    My dealer told me that nothing inside the steering column was adjustable, but they have replaced the switch once.
    Last time I mentioned it I got the "It's a Defender thing" response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surrufus View Post
    I have the same issue, cancels too soon in one direction, and way too late ( occasionally never ) in the other.
    My dealer told me that nothing inside the steering column was adjustable, but they have replaced the switch once.
    Last time I mentioned it I got the "It's a Defender thing" response.
    Nothing adjustable isn't strictly true. One thing I have read on other threads is that the selector ring has an arrow that needs to face in the direction of the blinker stalk when the wheels are straight ahead, if not it might cause symptoms like you're describing.

    Seems that there are definitely mixed opinions and experiences with this issue. I wouldn't be so fussed if there were no potential safety or legal ramifications. I will see how the warranty replacement goes, I've decided that if I cant get a proper fix (not convinced about the 'its a defender thing' guff) I'll just remove the ring altogether so at least it will stay on when needed and get used to killing it myself.

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    I've had the same problem with my 2014 Defender from day one. I've had it looked at a few times and they have replaced the switch at least once. The last I had the dealership have a look at the service manager said that they 'Couldn't replicate the fault' and made out that I must have imagined it all. With that response I asked if the mechanic or 'technician' as they seem to call them these days, had actually driven the vehicle. Naturally the mechanic had gone home for the day by the time I picked up the vehicle. It's only a little thing but I would have thought that it would only be a very simple and basic mechanism to cancel the indicators. It's never happened on any other car I've had including the two series three's that I've owned.

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