Thread: Puma Engine broken and bleeding with missfire and choofing

So Denso wasn't happy destroying Toybota engines,they have to do Land Rovers as well.It's **** poor that LR owners are suffering alternator, regulator and now injector failure because of shoddy parts. Pat

At 155,000 km Land Rover should pay 1/2 the cost of a new bare motor. It would be reasonable to expect a motor to last twice that.

The catch is you could spent $10k on lawyers to achieve your desired result, and not recover your legal costs. And that's more than if you just found your own solution.

The ACCC chairman had a few things to say about the automotive industry's delivery of service, particularly repairs, today. IIRC, he indicated that Oz consumer law protected us (end users) against this exact thing - washing hands because of, say, lack of dealer servicing. I can understand that such a circumstance could affect the quantum of GOODWILL that a dealer in the network may be prepared to put in, but the regional organization, Land Rover Australia in this case, is still responsible for the delivery of fit for purpose repair work to your vehicle. He agreed that an item, like Defender, is designed for a purpose and should perform in accordance with that purpose.

Your vehicle has not travelled an immense distance in the time since new. You have an established relationship with your local dealer.

My tip - spend some time biting LRA on the leg. Start at the lowest and work your way up. Use the same principles as you did in the organization where you did your apprenticeship

In the event that you really don't need such a hassle, particularly if local government objects, your alternative pursuit of a replacement long engine is entirely satisfactory. Just try to get the responsible people to pay for your hardware and installation.

Good luck.

Pete

We run Rangers with the 2.2 at my current location, out of 8, 7 are down with injector/turbo issues with all less than 45,000kms... apart from constant gearbox, CV's etc... arguably more interesting conditions, though its interesting to note of the previous models we have some with excess of 300,000kms...

Warranty claims don't exist here.

Hence moving back to Yotas with the 1HZ...

Originally Posted by Pierre

The ACCC chairman had a few things to say about the automotive industry's delivery of service, particularly repairs, today. IIRC, he indicated that Oz consumer law protected us (end users) against this exact thing - washing hands because of, say, lack of dealer servicing. I can understand that such a circumstance could affect the quantum of GOODWILL that a dealer in the network may be prepared to put in, but the regional organization, Land Rover Australia in this case, is still responsible for the delivery of fit for purpose repair work to your vehicle. He agreed that an item, like Defender, is designed for a purpose and should perform in accordance with that purpose.

Your vehicle has not travelled an immense distance in the time since new. You have an established relationship with your local dealer.

My tip - spend some time biting LRA on the leg. Start at the lowest and work your way up. Use the same principles as you did in the organization where you did your apprenticeship

In the event that you really don't need such a hassle, particularly if local government objects, your alternative pursuit of a replacement long engine is entirely satisfactory. Just try to get the responsible people to pay for your hardware and installation.

Good luck.

Pete

I sent this to LRA tonight,
Dear CRC,
Thank you for the attached letter,
Can you please advise why my claim was rejected on the basis of not having the vehicle serviced by a Land Rover dealer even though and the vehicle being out of warranty?
Under Australian Consumer Law, I do not have to have the vehicle serviced by a Land Rover Dealer.

Under Australian Consumer Law, I am also protected outside of the statutory warranty period for major failures for components within a reasonable time, as I stated previously.
Page 12 of the online service history and warranty benefits booklet supplied with my vehicle, it states that:
“Our goods come with guarantees that cannot be excluded under Australian Consumer Law, You are entitled to a replacement or refund for major failure and for compensation for any other reasonably foreseeable loss or damage.
Australian Consumer Law covers the consumer outside of the warranty period.
I would request again that my claim, be re-examined due to the Australian Consumer Law ACT and not so called “Good Will”

I have estimated that it will cost me $10K to get the motor replaced in Melbourne by Trans automotive, who will fit a new 2.2 Transit motor overseas import, R&R the sump, new injectors, and R & R the motor.
The problem with LRA...they just don't give a stuff when you have a major failure when the vehicle is out of warranty.

Good luck with all this.... I hope it's a good outcome.

You may want check out the sump on that transit 2.2 .... I believe the Defender version is different to allow clearance from the front prop shaft.

Cheers.

Ford Duratorq- 2.2l TDCI

They say that the over fueling issue in the 2.2 is not due to a faulty injector but rather the ecu programing.
I think all the cases of a blown 2.2 engine have been standard engines on standard tunes. I wonder if having a remap resolves this potential issue?
I would also argue that as the engine gets older in its life that the egr would more than likely start to affect sensors (making them dirty) like the air flow sensor etc and throw the computer programing out and leed to these over fueling situations, just a thought.

I met a Facilities manager for a large hotel group in Canberra recently that burnt a hole in a piston in his 3.2 BT50 from an injector overfueling a cylinder.

Mazda refused warranty as he'd serviced it, he got Fair Trading involved along with supplying his trade qualifications (he's a registered motor mechanic)
After some shenanications (offered half the cost, etc) Mazda finally came to the party.