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    Quote Originally Posted by Colmoore View Post
    I drove 42000kms around Australia last year in my puma and it was good being able to do the speed limit, even with the camper on.
    I thought you wouldn't get a tdi to go anywhere near a chipped td5 - speed and power wise?
    They both suffer the same problem,poor off boost performance.The Td5 I had was chipped,it went like the clappers over 2000 rpm but then so does my Tdi.It's not hard to get either sitting on 100+ with some mods,you must not forget that both were set up to meet pollution standards,not performance.If you want to go back to the lesser models,and I'm not being derogatory here,if my Tdi had naughty woman bits I would have married it instead of my wife,they both really need a new turbo,preferably a VNT with matching full width,as per Robmacca's post I/C and tune.I'm selling my X-Tech TDCi next year and buying a Discovery Sport,the Tdi will get a complete make over after that. Pat

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    Cool Welcome to the Puma.

    Lots of good info on this thread and thanks for everyones participation.

    We're now welcoming a 2.2 TDCI Puma to the family, soon to arrive next week.

    Next up on the list is to get certified child restraints mounted onto the rear seats.
    If anyone has any suggestions for locations around South East QLD please let me know.

    We've decided to keep our old faithful 300TDI in the family, she'll be the work vehicle
    and I can already see that the Puma will become the wife's car!!

    Also looking for recommendations for a good Defender mechanic in South East QLD.

    Happy driving!

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    Mechanic recommendation depends on where in SEQ your located.
    L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
    Track Trailer ARN 200-117
    REMLR # 137

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    How much does it cost to upgrade the drivetrain?

    Allow $15k;

    Ashcroft Front and rear axles and flanges
    E Lockers front and rear
    Centre diff atb
    Custom clutch - exedy
    Pegging kit for rear diff
    Ashcroft cvs
    Mt82 output shaft
    Timken bearings all round

    My vehicle purchase price plus these mods puts me pretty much on par with the cost of a brand new 70 series. Is the 70 series as tough or capable? NO! If i bought another vehicle and built it to be just as tough it would cost me a lot more.



    Now im sure people will say it isn't necessary, and it isnt but it all depends on how hard you push or want to push your vehicle. Its a insurance policy in the back of my mind....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colmoore View Post
    Well I'm looking for a shoulder to cry on - I'm defenderless as of this morning. A bloke called Michael (I think he's on here somewhere) came down from Brisy & bought my truck. She was sweet.
    Now I'm still in limbo as to what to buy next.
    I've taken your advice Pat and ruled out the Inter motor due to parts becoming scarce.
    After driving the 300 tdi its a long descent from the grunt & top end of the BAS puma; even if it will keep on trucking for five hundred thousand kms under water post apocalypse.....
    The thought of driving to Broome again next year at 100kms an hr makes me shudder a bit.
    The td5 seems to be a pretty good compromise and they're pretty cheap as there's so many of them.
    I'm mostly driving about in the following order: picking up building materials, dragging a trailer to the tip, occasionally towing a bobcat or excavator, playing bus driver to my kids and last but not least, going camping.
    What would you guys pay for a very straight mostly original td5 with > 200k kms on?
    Wasn't michael mclauglin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Wasn't michael mclauglin?
    Michael Nester from brisvegas somewhere - I think he's new to the LR crew but apparently already loving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1nando View Post
    How much does it cost to upgrade the drivetrain?

    Allow $15k;

    Ashcroft Front and rear axles and flanges
    E Lockers front and rear
    Centre diff atb
    Custom clutch - exedy
    Pegging kit for rear diff
    Ashcroft cvs
    Mt82 output shaft
    Timken bearings all round

    Now im sure people will say it isn't necessary, and it isnt but it all depends on how hard you push or want to push your vehicle. Its a insurance policy in the back of my mind....
    Looks like a sensible Puma list.
    L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
    Track Trailer ARN 200-117
    REMLR # 137

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1nando View Post
    How much does it cost to upgrade the drivetrain?

    Allow $15k;

    Ashcroft Front and rear axles and flanges
    E Lockers front and rear
    Centre diff atb
    Custom clutch - exedy
    Pegging kit for rear diff
    Ashcroft cvs
    Mt82 output shaft
    Timken bearings all round

    My vehicle purchase price plus these mods puts me pretty much on par with the cost of a brand new 70 series. Is the 70 series as tough or capable? NO! If i bought another vehicle and built it to be just as tough it would cost me a lot more.



    Now im sure people will say it isn't necessary, and it isnt but it all depends on how hard you push or want to push your vehicle. Its a insurance policy in the back of my mind....
    You just explained why the Defender is such a good platform,start standard and mod as required. Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAT303 View Post
    You just explained why the Defender is such a good platform,start standard and mod as required. Pat
    Im still at an age (34) where i go out with my mates camping and enjoy doing rough tracks and taking the **** out of each others vehicle. Now being the only land rover in the group puts me in the firing line prettt much all the time.
    Thats where a defender is so versatile. I've built it not only to be tough but be able to confidently tackle any obstacle. It always impresses everyone how capable it is. My mates call it the "tractor", it just chugs along slowly but surely.
    Once upon a time it was standard and it was capable, now its more capable but able to take more punishment.
    The puma is a great platform. Best aircon out of any defender, best engine, best ride, best noise reduction, most technology (be it very little and outdated) and best gearbox in my opinion.

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    Thumbs up Tdi fan

    Quote Originally Posted by PAT303 View Post
    Col,the reason I rule out the Td5 is cost,don't get me wrong,it's a good engine,but the Tdi can be given a few cheap mods such as tweaking the pump,bigger I/C,straight through exhaust etc and it'll give all the performance but cheaper.It's easy to get a Tdi to go and they'll keep a Td5 honest with minor mods,I had both at one time and I couldn't see the reason to upgrade and I'm glad I didn't,my Tdi is about to clock 517K,a Td5 would've died by now. Pat
    The later Td-5s , pumas etc are more comfortable and quieter I think, maybe faster on the highway.



    I'm with Pat on this, i've had my defender for 15 years, and never spent much money on it except what i wanted to spend.

    But the money adds up over a long time I guess.

    Drive line & suspension,

    Ashcroft ATB center diff, discovery 2 LT230 Q transfer case, (about $1200 fitted, by me), huge reduction in noise ! & better fuel economy.

    Eaton ATB in the front, Maybe $900, ( mostly fitted by me)

    Maxidrive lockers in the rear. About $1600 mostly fitted by me
    40 mm OME lift at the front , full airbags on the back, in cabin controls, ($1500 fitted by me)

    winch& winch bar ($1000 fab & fitted by me)
    swingout wheel carrier, ($100, Fab & fit by me)
    42 liter aux silltank, ($200 , fab & fit by me)


    Engine; APT intercooler, Garrett 2256 VNT, fuel pump tweaked up, (about $2500 done by me, kit was Madman SA) transformed the car and made it much more drive-able and allows you to use the disco transfer case comfortably, 1st gear is a bit tall, but i hardly ever tow anything thats heavy , so its not really a problem for me.

    center muffler removed, ( not much cost, no discernable benefit except weight reduction)

    I've probably spent 9-10 K on the car over the 16 years of ownership, but saved quite a bit on the labor since I fitted most of the mods myself.

    Agreed the AC is crap, but I've done some insulation on the floors , and will soon get the AC tuned up. ( a lot cheaper than a new car )

    If the car had better AC and was a bit quieter, I would have no complaints at all. ( the rear passengers might have a few words to say about that

    Servicing is straight forward.
    cheers simmo
    Last edited by simmo; 16th November 2017 at 10:52 PM. Reason: add fuel economy

    simmo
    95 300Tdi Defender wagon

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