Thread: TD5 timing issues

Hi Strangy, I followed directions but when I disconnect sprocket with chain, from camshaft, I can rotate engine only about 30 degrees in both directions, then it stucks and can't turn further. Any clue? Thanks

You haven't given a lot of info, so the question needs to be asked:
Did you get the head rebuilt?
If so, were the injectors removed?
If so, were they replaced in the same order?

Injectors have codes that need to be replaced in the correct order(according to the ECU code order).

Also, fuel pressure regulator .. was it removed, checked, etc.

Hi just saw this.
30 degrees is about all you will get before the pistons touch the valves.

If the cam sprocket is not fitted to the camshaft you should have the crank lock pin engaged and the camshaft pin engaged.


How many teeth on the cam sprocket need to be moved?

From here you need to move the sprocket to its correct position by disengaging it from the chain the number of teeth to enable the sprocket to be refitted to the camshaft .
Use a piece of string or cable tie to attach to sprocket do that you can retrieve it from the front cover if you slip/drop it.

Hi Strangy, thanks for all inputs. Now I am sure that the timing is ok. Both pins found their place, upper and lower!
Unfortunately the engine gives no signs of life...
I took off EGR along with all ancillaries. Could this stop the engine from starting?

Originally Posted by strangy

Hi just saw this.
30 degrees is about all you will get before the pistons touch the valves.

If the cam sprocket is not fitted to the camshaft you should have the crank lock pin engaged and the camshaft pin engaged.


How many teeth on the cam sprocket need to be moved?

From here you need to move the sprocket to its correct position by disengaging it from the chain the number of teeth to enable the sprocket to be refitted to the camshaft .
Use a piece of string or cable tie to attach to sprocket do that you can retrieve it from the front cover if you slip/drop it.

Hi, yes the injectors were removed only after noting the order and code accorning to which they were refitted. Besides, I read that misordering the injectors should not prevent the car from firing, it will just run very bad.
What about fuel pressure regulator? I never heard about this check. Could you explain please?

Originally Posted by AK83

You haven't given a lot of info, so the question needs to be asked:
Did you get the head rebuilt?
If so, were the injectors removed?
If so, were they replaced in the same order?

Injectors have codes that need to be replaced in the correct order(according to the ECU code order).

Also, fuel pressure regulator .. was it removed, checked, etc.

Originally Posted by Robthebob

.... Could you explain please?

It's easier when it's already been explained(by someone who knows what they're talking about) rather than explain it again.

See Here youtube video link.

Originally Posted by Robthebob

Hi, yes the injectors were removed only after noting the order and code accorning to which they were refitted. Besides, I read that misordering the injectors should not prevent the car from firing, it will just run very bad.
What about fuel pressure regulator? I never heard about this check. Could you explain please?

Great news the timing is right.
You are correct, Injector order is irrelevant for a start and correct codes/order is for "trimming" the injectors for smoothest idle
EGR wont matter at all.
Show stoppers for the TD5 is only fuel pump and CPS (obviously ECU) It will run without all other sensors.
Dont be concerned about the ECU because it was running previously.
Assuming the fuel reg was ok before removal, even with a typical leak the fuel reg. shouldn't prevent a start.
However if the regulator block was removed, was the strainer clear/clean and correct gasket used? Fuel hoses fitted correctly.
Pump noise is the giveaway during the prime sequence. If its noisy it typically still has air in the system.
Typically the priming sequence can take some time and most likely just need a few more sequences and a well charged battery.

Some confirmation checks for the CPS (crank position sensor) connected/ no wiring damage.

I reckon a few more primes following the sequence and it will probably fire.
Two options for priming here.

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I know both sequences and will try again tomorrow morning. We are about 16 hours apart...

Originally Posted by strangy

Great news the timing is right.
You are correct, Injector order is irrelevant for a start and correct codes/order is for "trimming" the injectors for smoothest idle
EGR wont matter at all.
Show stoppers for the TD5 is only fuel pump and CPS (obviously ECU) It will run without all other sensors.
Dont be concerned about the ECU because it was running previously.
Assuming the fuel reg was ok before removal, even with a typical leak the fuel reg. shouldn't prevent a start.
However if the regulator block was removed, was the strainer clear/clean and correct gasket used? Fuel hoses fitted correctly.
Pump noise is the giveaway during the prime sequence. If its noisy it typically still has air in the system.
Typically the priming sequence can take some time and most likely just need a few more sequences and a well charged battery.

Some confirmation checks for the CPS (crank position sensor) connected/ no wiring damage.

I reckon a few more primes following the sequence and it will probably fire.
Two options for priming here.

Web Rover