Biddy's had a hissy fit.

**cuppabillytea** · 21st July 2018, 10:44 PM

Went to jump into the car this morning for the obligatory coffee run. Hit the button on the key fob. No response.
Went through the usual motions of trying different poses and different positions.
Lady across the road sends wife a text"Your Billy has gone nuts. He's doing some weird ballet around his car."
Ok so that didn't work.
Went inside to get spare fob and repeated the performance.
Still no response.
At this stage, coffee deprivation is becoming a pressing issue and I do what no sensible person would do on a Saturday morning. I entered the vehicle using the key, having no notion what the EKA might be because I neglected to heed TACT's advice and make sure I got it from LR.
There wasn't a peep out of Biddy, not even a squeak.
I then deduced that the security unit was deceased, lifted the bonnet and had a look.
It wasn't sitting in it's bracket but otherwise looked ok.
Tried starting the motor. It ran for half a second and stoped.
Time to call Roverassist and off she went on a truck.
Does anyone have any idea why this has occurred?
Has it happened to any of you?

**DazzaTD5** · 21st July 2018, 11:46 PM

Is this a 2.2lt? ....
Its sounding like the immobiliser is at fault, if so then this is seemingly starting to look like an "issue" on this model.

keep us all upto date

**alien** · 22nd July 2018, 03:45 AM

Same as this Billy?
Puma won't start, advice please

**cuppabillytea** · 22nd July 2018, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

Is this a 2.2lt? ....
Its sounding like the immobiliser is at fault, if so then this is seemingly starting to look like an "issue" on this model.

keep us all upto date

Yes that was my deduction.
Yes October 2013 build.

**cuppabillytea** · 22nd July 2018, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by alien

Same as this Billy?
Puma won't start, advice please

Yes Kyle, exactly the same, it would seem.

**Zeros** · 22nd July 2018, 04:09 PM

Is it possible to permanently disable 2.2 puma immobilisers for bush work?

**cuppabillytea** · 22nd July 2018, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Zeros

Is it possible to permanently disable 2.2 puma immobilisers for bush work?

I wish but I doubt it. I think it might be illegal to disable it and would certainly kill your insurance.

**DazzaTD5** · 22nd July 2018, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Zeros

Is it possible to permanently disable 2.2 puma immobilisers for bush work?

*Defender TD5 and TDCi (puma) 2.4lt share the same immobilser and both can be disabled. I do this for any customer that does any sort of remote travel.
*The Plip still locks/unlocks the vehicle.
*Yes technically illegal in WA (at least) and would void your insurance.
*BUT as there is no log of this function being turned off, I dont see how the insurance would know, if ever questioned I would merely say "I dont know, I'm not a mechanic, the vehicle has always locked and unlocked, is that what you mean?"
*Also take into account, there is prolly no other "new" vehicle on the market that would allow the immobiliser to be turned off, so I seriously doubt it would ever be brought to question. Lets face it, thieves can steal a Range Rover, a Defender isnt going to be a big issue.
*I havent had a chance to look at the 2.2lt in depth.

**cuppabillytea** · 22nd July 2018, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

*Defender TD5 and TDCi (puma) 2.4lt share the same immobilser and both can be disabled. I do this for any customer that does any sort of remote travel.
*The Plip still locks/unlocks the vehicle.
*Yes technically illegal in WA (at least) and would void your insurance.
*BUT as there is no log of this function being turned off, I dont see how the insurance would know, if ever questioned I would merely say "I dont know, I'm not a mechanic, the vehicle has always locked and unlocked, is that what you mean?"
*Also take into account, there is prolly no other "new" vehicle on the market that would allow the immobiliser to be turned off, so I seriously doubt it would ever be brought to question. Lets face it, thieves can steal a Range Rover, a Defender isnt going to be a big issue.
*I havent had a chance to look at the 2.2lt in depth.

I would be grateful if you would have a look at the 2.2 especially 2013 on.

**cuppabillytea** · 22nd July 2018, 05:00 PM

In my opinion, there is an argument that could be taken to the Insurance Companies.
That is: If they insist that the immobiliser is fixed to the vehicle and it fails then they should cover all costs associated with that failure. After all the only reason for it is to reduce their risk.
The police also want it there, I suppose, as a deterrent to crime, but do our moral obligations really go that far?

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