Thread: Defender vs Tojo 70

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Interesting, but a bit vague.
Does that mean "all new models" launched after 2020 will be electric, with existing models still offering diesel or petrol, or all LRs will be electric?
So if the Defender was launched before 2020 it could offer diesel /petrol?
Unclear.

Diesel is dead in Europe. City after city is banning them from their centres, it won’t be long until the only diesel’s will be large and long haul commercial vehicles. In countries such as the US and Australia this will become more problematic due to the large distances involved.

if the new Defender comes in a petrol/hybrid guise I’d certainly give it a close look.

The other issue is if they gradually ban diesels,seems their popularity in Europe is already dropping,there won't be the R and D invested into Diesel technology,so countries like Australia will suffer.

Here a few manufacturers have actually dropped petrol vehicles in some models due to low sales.
Prado comes to mind,as does Hilux.

Originally Posted by scarry

The other issue is if they gradually ban diesels,seems their popularity in Europe is already dropping,there won't be the R and D invested into Diesel technology,so countries like Australia will suffer.

Here a few manufacturers have actually dropped petrol vehicles in some models due to low sales.
Prado comes to mind,as does Hilux.

Nissan were smart in developing the petrol for the patrol while others went away from petrol......it might put them in front for the transition away from diesel and before electric becomes full blown.

The VW diesel scandal really highlighted the health effects of dirty diesels. Diesels can meet the air pollution standards, if the software is set right. VW prioritised performance over a clean exhaust and got hammered. The LR Ingenium diesels seem like good engines, but governments are turning against diesels because of their health effects. I read that 40,000 deaths a year in the UK are blamed on vehicle emissions. JLR needs to offer hybrid and EV versions fast. Nissan and Toyota have done it. It's not new technology.

There will be a big market for EV / Hybrid engine conversions in 10 years.

Originally Posted by Zeros

There will be a big market for EV / Hybrid engine conversions in 10 years.

I think this a much better idea than bringing out new $80k+ cars, add in a government rebate like LPG and most people will get on the EV bandwagon. I'd never buy one well not for a long time mainly because of cost and needs but a conversion rebated by the gov I'd be onboard
Cheers Jim

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The VW diesel scandal really highlighted the health effects of dirty diesels. VW prioritised performance over a clean exhaust and got hammered.

No... VW prioritised maximum profits over clean exhaust emissions.

Originally Posted by Greg4427

Diesel is dead in Europe. City after city is banning them from their centres, it won’t be long until the only diesel’s will be large and long haul commercial vehicles. In countries such as the US and Australia this will become more problematic due to the large distances involved.

if the new Defender comes in a petrol/hybrid guise I’d certainly give it a close look.

Diesels have been phased in Japanese cities for a number of years now. Tokyo banned diesel in 2003.

Four of the world's biggest cities to ban diesel by 2025 - motoring.com.au

Why are diesel cars not popular in Japan? - Quora

Toyota to stop selling diesel cars in Europe, phasing out the vehicles from 2018 onward | The Japan Times

It could be there will be no investment into smaller diesels by the worlds largest car makers within a few years so a hybrid at least for 4x4's is inevitable.