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    What’s this noise? What’s this noise? [emoji51]

    Note: I posted this before but addressed it to local crew, thought I’d go to the wider audience

    Gday All.

    My td5 130 has developed a whine and I’m about to take her on a trip up the coast this Friday, 1/2 tonne trailer behind, loaded w, family, camping gear, etc etc. Intended to do some beach work, a few mtb shuttles and general rovering in the bush.
    But....
    This noise seems mainly apparent in 3rd,4th,5th under any power, no matter how slight but disappears on deceleration.
    Clutch depressed, it’s gone. Makes me think it’s not the diff’s.
    Gearbox in neutral at speed, no noise.
    Transfer in neutral and run through gears, no noise. Maybe not transfer case then.

    All oils are full and to spec

    There’s also a rattle on deceleration that sounds like an exhaust mount or loose heat shield, that may or may not be related.

    My mechanic is having a well deserved break and I don’t really know anyone else local who knows Defender’s.

    Some footage w sound

    iCloud

    Thanks
    Col

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    Have you checked all your UJs?

    REgards PhilipA

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    If UJs are in good condition ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Colmoore View Post
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    Transfer in neutral and run through gears, no noise. Maybe not transfer case then.

    ....
    Not necessarily.

    Sounds like transfer box bearing(of some type). Too many bearings to list here.
    Could be drive yoke bearings or something relatively easy to do like that.

    I'll tell 'ya my 'saga' tho.
    Got my D1 3 years ago, and 2 months in I was driving on a level part of a freeway, just cruising easily, no load, just light throttle .. and BANG! .. drivetrain bang. Scared all the brown stuff out of me, as it was unexpected.
    Slowed down, nothing obvious seemed wrong, just needed a little power to pull up a slight hill to the side of a safe area, but no drive. engine revs, but not the drive I needed to get to the spot I'd decided to pull up onto.
    AH! panic no set in, about 10PM, miles from an easy recovery. My D1 is auto too. Tried all trans gears manually .. nothing, but could hear a fain 'grinding' noise. Ah! Hi/Lo lever had set itself to neutral whilst on the move(90-ish k/h) hence the bang .. etc.
    No worries, put it back into Hi, drive off .. no worries.
    As I gently accelerate, slowly getting up to about 60k/h I could hear a faint whine. At about 60 fain whine turns to obvious whine noise. By 80 k/h now obvious whine noise is ear splitting loud obnoxious and (I know will be) painful on the ears over time. Had about 1 1/2 hrs to get home. Decided to take back rods home(off the freeway) and just sit on about 60-70 ish on as many roads as I could, if I had to 80 on the freeway sections, but only if I had too. Over 80 sounded unbearable and maybe like it'd overcook and lose drive all together.
    Anyhow, got home, borrowed bros car for a couple days(D1 is my one and only daily). Checked oil level in transfer, all good. dropped and refilled mainly to see if any metal bits within, nothing, and oil still relatively clean(ie. not old and unserviced).
    Bugga.
    Checked transfer output flanges for play, nothing. Just the usual rotational slack due to centre diff slack. Bugga.. nothing obvious and easy to replace, so more than likely some internal bearing must have just 'popped' or done it's worn out thing.

    Looked for a rebuilt, swap out transfer box deal all over the net as I could, one bloke in bayswater had none, 4WD mob up in Maitland had one, and reckon they could do it in a day for me. I had a weekend to kill, so decided to do that.
    ie. drove Melb-Maitland to get them to changeover the transfer box .. basically ASAP. They didn't have time to fully strip it while I was there(about 8 hrs all up) but the young chap reckons he could feel a loose bearing(can't recall which one now tho).

    Bearing survived the 1000+ klm trip, definitely my worst ever drive anywhere .. ever!... screaming bearing from about 80 k/h just finally wore me down. Did the drive overnight to avoid traffic, I didn't cause truckies any issues beign a mobile chicane.
    Drive home with reco transfer case was sublime tho.

    Your whiny sound and conditions sounds very much like my issue with my T/fer box, but note that my D1 was auto too, not manual.

    I'm thinking that if you have transfer in neutral and run through gears and no noise, then most lilkely the output shaft(bearings) could be fine, but this won't eliminate the intermediate shaft bearings, nor any (centre)diff bush/bearings.

    Also wouldn't eliminate (axle) diffs either. Obvious that the noise is under load only. To eliminate the axle diffs, you'd have to test each one on it's own.
    But more lilekly you should be able to hear obvious noise from one end or another. But to be sure, you need to remove the drive shafts one at a time and drive it with centre diff locked up. This way you drive with load only on the one axle(and diff) at a time.
    Does the level of noise change. While driveshafts are out check the UJs more so for stiffness in the UJs movement. Old UJs will more probably be a little loose, new ones a little more stiff, but smooth .. no notchy movement.

    Have you checked transfer for oil level? hard to fill from a bottle, so a pump bottle of some kind helps there, fill level is when oil starts to pour out of the filler plug.
    Arthur.

    All these discos are giving me a heart attack!

    '99 D1 300Tdi Auto ( now sold :( )
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    Found the culprit the day before I left. Dropped gbox oil - all good. Dropped transfer case oil and found small brass chunks amongst the filing fur. Looks as though a shim has disintegrated in there. I’ve just got back from the trip, drove on the tracks, beaches etc and all ok; still noisy and slack in the drivetrain but no worse, thankfully.



    Big thanks to AULRO for connecting me w Rob, who lives near me and owns a 130. Rob came and test drove my car and picked the issue before I’d even drained the oil - put me at ease and offered assistance if I broke down which, thankfully, I didn’t need to take up. Only in the Landrover community!

    Thought the trip was over before we got to Tahlee though What’s this noise? [emoji51]; ended up in a 5 car pile up near the Hexham Bridge on the New England thanks to 3 idiots diving into the left lane in front of a B Double ahead and a bloke a few cars back, not paying attention. I was on the anchors hard and pulled up behind a blokes outboard with half inch to spare. My mate behind me stopped his old Hilux and trailer equally close, but the Hilux behind him, also with a box trailer on, hit him so hard that it completely totalled his trailer full of camping gear. Short of a rollover, I’ve never seen a trailer so destroyed - we had to cut it off the ball with a grinder!
    Amazingly, nobody was hurt and all cars drove away!
    My ali tray is buckled and all mount brackets are twisted forward one side, the tray just kissed the cab but don’t think it’s done anymore than chip paint. I have a busted tail light, slight bend in the rear x member, a bent winch bar and some panel damage on the front ds wing but she’s driveable and the damage is barely noticeable.
    That’s 3 hiluxes, 2 box trailers vs one Defender - Defender won hands down .....
    Insurance will cover but I’ll try to get the $ instead and repair it myself.
    So now I’m in the market for a transfer box, winch bar, ds wing gaurd in white and maybe a tray.

    Cheers for the input from everyone else too, I learn a lot on here.

    Col

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