Thread: Who else is going over to the dark side?

Originally Posted by scarry

Our D4 would have had a list longer than that in 10 yrs,my sons Puma would have had a list twice as long while under warranty and the issues continued well after the warranty period.

And knowing N=2 in my case

Neither of ours has a list. Not even a sticky note!

Originally Posted by Tombie

D1 was $40k
80 was double that.

Worst thing is LR owners being tight arses won’t fix things properly and just devalue their own brand!

Mid spec 80 in 1995 was around $45K to $60K

What was a D1 mid spec in those days?$40K ?

Its the dealers that dont do LR any favours,unfortunately.I think the tight arse comment is 100% correct,but not only for LR's.

One of my brothers has had a '93 D1 since '94,has now almost reached 400 000Km.Petrol.

So virtually a one owner,and only had one person ever do any repairs and servicing,as he does it all himself.

It has certainly had its fair share of issues,last being another alternator,the 3rd since he has had it and all sorts of electrical grmlins,which ended being the wiring harness around the coil falling apart
Probably weeping heads and replacement cams was the biggest issue,apart from oil leaks from almost every part that had oil in it.

But we have to remember these vehicles,whatever the brand, are around 30 yrs old,many have huge mileage,and have probably had numerous owners,so the servicing,and maintenance history on most of them is unknown,or fabricated.

Originally Posted by Tombie

D1 was $40k
80 was double that.

Worst thing is LR owners being tight arses wonÂ’t fix things properly and just devalue their own brand!

In my case IÂ’m not trying to devalue my Land Rover, I know I prefer to drive a Land Rover over any other 4wd which is why IÂ’ve got one, but that doesnÂ’t mean that reliability is its strong point. I definitely spend the big money on mine, not sure about other people.

Originally Posted by JoshV12345

In my case IÂ’m not trying to devalue my Land Rover, I know I prefer to drive a Land Rover over any other 4wd which is why IÂ’ve got one, but that doesnÂ’t mean that reliability is its strong point. I definitely spend the big money on mine, not sure about other people.

Man there's some real truth in that. We use 'preventative maintenance' () because we love them. They have ability, character, charm often lacking to the same extent elsewhere. And preventative maintenance certainly helps keep them in cooeee of the reliability of typically abused and annatended to Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi etc. Cheers

Getting a little off track with the thread. The question is what do you do as our vehicles get older and are therefore less reliable? It is not a debate as to what 30 year old car is more reliable than another 30 year old car. Do you keep spending money and time or update to something else? Unfortunately in my opinion landrover are now a luxury car brand with no vehicle utilitrian or affordable in their line up. The new defender is great and capable, but certainly not simple or able to be repaired by the owner. Utilitarian it is not. They don't even make a ute now. Period. I love my defender and am willing to overlook it's shortcomings because it's such a timeless and different car. But there is a limit, as owning an older one you tend to spend weekend s working on it. Fine if you are retired I guess, but difficult if you are running a business for example. As an example my friend bought a tritton duel cab new and sold his D 2 . Yawn, another duel cab amongst thousands. Misses the disco but doesn't miss the maintenance.

Originally Posted by ozscott

Man there's some real truth in that. We use 'preventative maintenance' () because we love them. They have ability, character, charm often lacking to the same extent elsewhere. And preventative maintenance certainly helps keep them in cooeee of the reliability of typically abused and annatended to Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi etc. Cheers

Without wishing to be existential (yes really) the question is not who but why?

Why did we buy a Land Rover in the first place? Many here have had many (masochism?) and yet come here to complain about them.

I think that answers some questions but everyone's answer will be different.

Don't try to get out of it! Because we are all suckers.

Originally Posted by Deefa

Getting a little off track with the thread. The question is what do you do as our vehicles get older and are therefore less reliable? It is not a debate as to what 30 year old car is more reliable than another 30 year old car. Do you keep spending money and time or update to something else? Unfortunately in my opinion landrover are now a luxury car brand with no vehicle utilitrian or affordable in their line up. The new defender is great and capable, but certainly not simple or able to be repaired by the owner. Utilitarian it is not. They don't even make a ute now. Period. I love my defender and am willing to overlook it's shortcomings because it's such a timeless and different car. But there is a limit, as owning an older one you tend to spend weekend s working on it. Fine if you are retired I guess, but difficult if you are running a business for example. As an example my friend bought a tritton duel cab new and sold his D 2 . Yawn, another duel cab amongst thousands. Misses the disco but doesn't miss the maintenance.

You got it in the last line.

So i have a 3 year old jap 4wd, a 9 year old korean van, a 37 year old landrover. Now the landrover looks cool, but sooooo much work needs doing that the 3 year old jap 4wd has become soo much more appealing. Now the korean van, it just keeps on trucking with very little maintenance at all.
I'm losing heart with the green oval

Originally Posted by Vern

You got it in the last line.

So i have a 3 year old jap 4wd, a 9 year old korean van, a 37 year old landrover. Now the landrover looks cool, but sooooo much work needs doing that the 3 year old jap 4wd has become soo much more appealing. Now the korean van, it just keeps on trucking with very little maintenance at all.
I'm losing heart with the green oval

Spot on mate. It is interesting. When I had more time to do my own maintenance I enjoyed it. Could also convince myself that there wasn't much to do. Madw sure it was done very well and when I didn't have the ability I paid dearly to get specialist LR guys to do it. These days I don't have the time with work and what time I do have I prefer not to be troubleshooting a vehicle...adding fun stuff to a vehicle is a different thing however. But overall if you end up having less time for preventative maintenance and troubleshooting or prefer other things then out of warranty older Land Rovers do lose a bit of their appeal. If you have the time and desire or are happy to pay someone to do it for you then great, reap the benefits. For me my D2 is still with me for the fun of the odd run and to have a spare vehicle that the family can use and, let's face it, it is worth more as a good spare than to sell. And I do get attached to cars and the adventures in them . Cheers