Thread: Who else is going over to the dark side?

Originally Posted by one_iota

Let's add some flesh to the bones and some humor whilst remaining on the topic (for the moment):


Toyota LandCruiser 80 Series common problems and solutions - Unsealed 4X4 - Issue 066

Considering how old 80’s are now, that’s not too bad. Compare that to newer defenders - td5 and puma. You have:
- injector harness issues
- oil cooler failures
- head gasket/head failures
- fuel pump failures
- harmonic balancer failures
- oil pump bolt issues
- clutch issues
- output shaft wear issues
- drive flange spline wear/fretting
- centre diff shim destruction
- rover diff destruction
- probably other stuff I’ve forgotten

Not even getting into the extra electrics of a disco - EAS, ABS, ACE three amigos etc

That being said, with the initial price difference between a land cruiser and a Land Rover (well maybe not these days) you could fix all those issues and have something just as reliable…possibly.

They forgot:

Valve adjustments - constant battle
CV failures
Swivels
Electrical - especially electric centre diff
Rattles - OMG they’re bad
Gearbox 5th (jumping out all the time)
Leaks - worse than a D1 (almost)
Clutch shudder
Headlights - candles are brighter
Alternator bearings
Water pumps - they love them
Fuel pumps
Brake shudder and uneven wear

Originally Posted by JoshV12345

Considering how old 80’s are now, that’s not too bad. Compare that to newer defenders - td5 and puma. You have:
- injector harness issues
- oil cooler failures
- head gasket/head failures
- fuel pump failures
- harmonic balancer failures
- oil pump bolt issues
- clutch issues
- output shaft wear issues
- drive flange spline wear/fretting
- centre diff shim destruction
- rover diff destruction
- probably other stuff I’ve forgotten

Not even getting into the extra electrics of a disco - EAS, ABS, ACE three amigos etc

That being said, with the initial price difference between a land cruiser and a Land Rover (well maybe not these days) you could fix all those issues and have something just as reliable…possibly.

Remember the 80 ceased production as the D2 became the new model in the UK (a year before Oz got it)…

The only model Disco you can compare it to is the D1 year for year.

The only model Disco you can compare it to is the D1 year for year.

Then look at todays resale values of the D1 and the 80 Series

Originally Posted by Tombie

They forgot:

Valve adjustments - constant battle
CV failures
Swivels
Electrical - especially electric centre diff
Rattles - OMG they’re bad
Gearbox 5th (jumping out all the time)
Leaks - worse than a D1 (almost)
Clutch shudder
Headlights - candles are brighter
Alternator bearings
Water pumps - they love them
Fuel pumps
Brake shudder and uneven wear

Our D4 would have had a list longer than that in 10 yrs,my sons Puma would have had a list twice as long while under warranty and the issues continued well after the warranty period.

Originally Posted by trout1105

Then look at todays resale values of the D1 and the 80 Series

That’s because the Jap/Thi vehicles have so many problems,no one wants them.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Remember the 80 ceased production as the D2 became the new model in the UK (a year before Oz got it)…

The only model Disco you can compare it to is the D1 year for year.

That’s kind of what I’m getting at, if you compare a Land Rover - maybe I should pick the defender as there’s less electronics and it’s more basic, similar to an 80 series - that is 10-20 years NEWER than an 80 series, they have a list just as long if not longer of issues (some quite bad and expensive to fix).

There has to be a reason you see more Toyotas touring/over landing/mining/4wd rentals/any place that requires a robust 4wd than anything else these days, it’s because they can be driven on bad roads, by bad drivers and still last a long time. I know my Land Rover could do the same trip but it would require more maintenance and a lot more mechanical sympathy.

We did cape York last year and the only car we saw broken down was a land cruiser with a broken rear axle. Some would say ‘see they’re not that reliable, you didn’t see a Land Rover broken down’ but in reality there’s just countless land cruisers, there’s bound to be 1 with issues. I could count the number of land rovers I saw on 1 hand.

Originally Posted by JoshV12345

That’s kind of what I’m getting at, if you compare a Land Rover - maybe I should pick the defender as there’s less electronics and it’s more basic, similar to an 80 series - that is 10-20 years NEWER than an 80 series, they have a list just as long if not longer of issues (some quite bad and expensive to fix).

There has to be a reason you see more Toyotas touring/over landing/mining/4wd rentals/any place that requires a robust 4wd than anything else these days, it’s because they can be driven on bad roads, by bad drivers and still last a long time. I know my Land Rover could do the same trip but it would require more maintenance and a lot more mechanical sympathy.

We did cape York last year and the only car we saw broken down was a land cruiser with a broken rear axle. Some would say ‘see they’re not that reliable, you didn’t see a Land Rover broken down’ but in reality there’s just countless land cruisers, there’s bound to be 1 with issues. I could count the number of land rovers I saw on 1 hand.

You are right, we should all sell our land Rovers and close the forum.

Cheers
James