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That I can understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by muddymech
If I can be permitted cynicism...it took a few years before LR engineered a solution for the 300 Tdi timing belt problem inspite of it not being a recall issue.
In the mean time we have to find our own way.
On a lighter note I'm not about to cancel my order.
Delphi filter/water separator housings (no primer) are about $65 at Qld Diesel Spares, looks the same as Whitworths.
DB and Muddy mech,
Sorry to here about the trouble. This is a diesel owners night mare.
What suburb are the Service stations in you use?
Are they big brand or independents?
When I was a in the truck industry years ago this happended a bit from some independents along Canterbury Rd.
It amy also be worth talking to the Motor Transport Association for advice.
Good luck.
Dave
Watching this unfold is really ****ing me off, so I can only imagine how totally incandescently enraged you must be.
Part of me hopes it was just bad fuel so we can all keep some faith in our machinery and you can have a (hopefully) simple insurance fix-up. But then other parts of me hope it is a Land Rover fault so we can all hammer them for some preventative maintenance and it doesn't happen to anyone else.
...Is there even the slightest chance that some low-life actually siphoned some of your fuel and topped it up with water? With fuel prices the way they are stranger things have been known to happen.
theres a lock on the fuel cap,Quote:
Originally Posted by solmanic
and the car only really gets parked on the drive or behind the gates and in a secure carpark at the airport
This was lifted from the LRO forum (MM and DB should be aware of this):
Curiously I've not been able to find this on GTR so I can't vouch for its veracity. Although there is a Special Service Message for what to do if contamination is suspected.Quote:
Models : LD - Defender
Title : SSM 37380 - 07MY Defender Non Start, Rough Running, P0089-7A & or P1169-00
Engineer Name : Darlison Mark
Last Modified : {ts '2008-04-18 00:00:00'}
Category : Driveability
Symptom : 603300 No Start
Content : Issue:
Non start, poor idle, rough running, P0089-7A and or P1169-00 logged.
Cause:
Potential water in fuel tank. A small number of service replacement parts have been returned to engineering for inspection and in each case the breather / vent line has been blocked with water / mud / dirt. A blocked breather / vent line would cause the fuel tank to vent via the fuel cap. Engineering testing has highlighted evidence to suggest water is collecting inside the fuel cap, (via the fuel cap lock barrel), and is then drawn into the fuel tank during the breather / venting process.
Action:
This will depend on the severity of the contamination, the quality of the engine running / performance and whether or not any DTC are logged and what they relate to.
Please follow the steps in the attached pdf doc to determine which course of action to take.
NOTE)
Any vehicle presented to the dealership with DTC P0089 and P1169 must have the fuel pump and rail replaced.
DTC other than P0089 and P1169 are not so important in contamination cases and do not necessarily mean that parts should be replaced. Please follow normal diagnosis procedures for other logged DTC. Please submit an ePQR for reference.
New fuel tank with updated breather location introduced for Defender 90 at Vin 760582. Defender 110 / 130 at Vin 760304. See attached pdf.
Firtsly, Dullbird and Muddy mech, i've been getting more and more angry at the sad state of your defender due to the fuel issue and my sympathies are with you guys. I think you are doing the right thing by getting all your facts straight before going off, as is my experience with these things is that organisations have 1 good listen to you and that's all ( if they listen at all, that is). So it pays to get your argument straight the first time. :D
On a related topic, I had a chat to Sydney Filters about racor filters and the interesting difference between the Racor and the Delphi CAV is in the element.
The CAV filter runs a straight paper element whilest the racor runs a special water repellant element. Neil at sydney filters reported a test he did where he filled both types of element with water. The CAV element saturated and eventually the water started leaking out, but the Racor element held the water like a paper cup.
The thinking there was that if the water doesn't get out of it when it is full like a cup, there's no way that it's going to get through it into your engine.
So, although there might be outward similarities to the Racor and CAV housings, if you really want bulletproof protection, the Racor sounds like the way to go due to it's repellant element.
Having said that, I've got a CAV on my 200tdi, it's always been fine but I will do the water test the next time I go and buy filters for a service. I've never delibrately injected water into my fuel system to try it!
Prices for a racor are: 500FG $375 plust gst or 460R10 $360 plus gst
The 500FG has turbine action which helps separate the sediment even more.
l8r!
Winston
An SSM is generally the precursor to a bulletin. LR are trying to improve the notification of problems to dealers - SSMs are one way to get the info out there. Sometimes bulletins follow going into more detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by one_iota
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouse
thanks scouse, lets hope landrover can get there finger out and issue a sb, im close to having to go down the insurance route so i can at least get the car back, problem is the insurance will not help me pursue a claim aganst land rover if its found to be there fault once the claim has started, the other problem i have that was not made clear was that the car still needs to be assesed for the claim, i was given the impression that the claim could go though so it still might end up coming out of my pocket.
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Originally Posted by DRS
they are local to me and are the usual suspected culprits that one expects to get bad fuel, one i used as its on a main road so i suspected that the flow of fuel though the pumps would prevent bad fuel, the other is the usual barnd most folks bitch about.
not to say they had bad fuel, but its the only other option if landrover belive that there is no design fault with the breather.
on another note coming from the uk forums anyone else heard of fuel caps leaking water in.
there is an sb in the gtr site but that points to bad fitting by the customer rather than a design fault.