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    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Has anybody got a puma and not had a problem with it ,if so how are they finding their defender is there any niggle points they want to pass onto someone that had there heart set on buying one but at the moment is in limbo on his decision.

    Thanks for the replies Declan.

    hello declan, I own a 2008 puma defender and love it. After reading some of these posts I must be the only one though, but I can not fault mine. I have flogged it to within a inch of it's life and it just performs. The only major faults have been with the drivers door window regulator which broke and the light behind the clock blew a globe other than that it is the best defender I have ever owned. As I find with most things you will either love it or hate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Has anybody got a puma and not had a problem with it ,if so how are they finding their defender is there any niggle points they want to pass onto someone that had there heart set on buying one but at the moment is in limbo on his decision.

    Thanks for the replies Declan.
    Mine is fine.

    I won't pass on any niggle points because all of those can be read here.

    Echoing Dullbird's thoughts: in 1997 I bought a nearly 3 year old 300 Tdi Disco. That was before AULRO existed. If AULRO had been around then I'd be using public transport because of the fear of major mechanical failure.

    I had over ten years of largely trouble free motoring with the Disco.

    I'm one year into the three year warranty and apart from the faulty clutch and a couple of sensors all replaced without quibble she's going strong.
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    Even though juniors had a few build quality issues... nothing has failed mechanically .... only done 3700kms though

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    Just one more thing with the Defender....if your heart is in it but you are not made of stern stuff then don't buy one. It's a gamble so you have to take responsibility for the decision you make. If not buy a push bike.
    Mahn England

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    Quote Originally Posted by one_iota View Post
    Just one more thing with the Defender....if your heart is in it but you are not made of stern stuff then don't buy one. It's a gamble so you have to take responsibility for the decision you make. If not buy a push bike.
    Or make sure you have easy access to a sturdy brick wall to bang you head against as necessary, (i.e. often).

    Tim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Has anybody got a puma and not had a problem with it ,if so how are they finding their defender is there any niggle points they want to pass onto someone that had there heart set on buying one but at the moment is in limbo on his decision.

    Thanks for the replies Declan.
    Most products covered in forums like AuLRO, whether they're cameras or computers or cars, will look like lemmons ... because you hear ALL the bad stories and only a sprinkling of the good ones. I'm heavily involved in photography, and if I went by the scary stories on the various forums I frequent, I would still not own a camera or lens.

    So to add my success story here, I've had a trouble-free run (well mostly ... discounting some questions about the alarm) with my new Puma ... all 208km so far

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    Don't get me wrong, I love the puma. And I've already ridden a td5 through the roller coaster of a new land rover purchase. But I think the issue with this water dirt is a time bomb. The dealer has said that this is a poor design for the breather, it faces forwards and catches dust and dirt. I'm annoyed because they've refuse to cover this under warranty.

    The problem for me is that without modification you will have no idea if your fuel tank has already sucked in an inch of sludge, and if the next corner you take will cause a dose of sludge to go through the engine and cause thousands of damage.

    At least the td5 would self prime so you could do the filter yourself, but now you need a special tool for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Has anybody got a puma and not had a problem with it ,if so how are they finding their defender is there any niggle points they want to pass onto someone that had there heart set on buying one but at the moment is in limbo on his decision.

    Thanks for the replies Declan.
    Mine has been completely trouble free, but I have learned a lot from reading other's posts (esp. DullBird's) and I have re-routed my breather hose on the fuel tank. Down in SA we hardly get any rain, so whilst I spent the first year driving around with the unmodified breather, it was during a drought.

    Mine has mainly done beach and farm work. I got it in Dec 07, and the only issue has been a recall on the sump which was no dramas because I got to drive round in a V8 Range Rover Diesel for a day whilst they swapped mine over.

    I'd say go for it. Fantastic car.

    HTH
    David

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    If you are talking about priming after changing the diesel filter just fill the new one with diesel before putting it on. Pulls through no bother.

    Quote Originally Posted by BilboBoggles View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I love the puma. And I've already ridden a td5 through the roller coaster of a new land rover purchase. But I think the issue with this water dirt is a time bomb. The dealer has said that this is a poor design for the breather, it faces forwards and catches dust and dirt. I'm annoyed because they've refuse to cover this under warranty.

    The problem for me is that without modification you will have no idea if your fuel tank has already sucked in an inch of sludge, and if the next corner you take will cause a dose of sludge to go through the engine and cause thousands of damage.

    At least the td5 would self prime so you could do the filter yourself, but now you need a special tool for this.

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    In case anyone is interested.

    I've consulted many Diesel specialists, CRD are incredibly sensitive to water, their injectors run at 2 micron clearances. You can destroy an injector with as little as a few mls of water. The standard Land Rover filter on a PUMA can only cope with 40cc of water before it runs the risk of flooding the injector system. 40cc is not much water really! The Australian fuel standards say up to 0.05% water is within standard for diesel. This water might be in suspension and condense out as temps drop. 0.05% over 1000l of diesel is 500mls of water. That's the absolute worst case water load for diesel over the service interval for the fuel filter, and if you get two loads of this fuel you will overwhelm your factory filter. Most companies aim for 0 water - but only to the point of delivery - what happens in the tank is up to the operator.

    According to all the filter experts Ive spoken to - the ideal diesel filtrration system has at least 2 stages - a 30 micron crud filter - and a 2 micron fine filter. Ideally there would be a 10 micron intermediate filter as well. The defender only has a single filter, and has no water warning light.

    Also my advice is the make sure you buy your PUMA fuel from SHELL Coles Express service stations - they have a very good liabilty coverage. Many shell service stations are independent, even if they have company logos etc - you have very little come back on the independents. One bad load of fuel can be an immense drain on your wallet!

    A soon as I get my PUMA back I'm fitting a RACOR 445R-2 diesel filter which filters down to 2 micron, and has a water impermiable membrane in the filter, which means that it will block up before it lets water through. It also has the ability to detect water in the drain system. The filter assembly includes a priming pump - so is ideally suited to the PUMA. Costs $318 from Perfect Filters in Dandenong. Filters should last 20,000 k's and should be installed before the factory fitler to retain your warranty. You'll never block your factory filter as I beleive that's 30 micron.

    SO just a note to those out there with PUMA's - CRD's are incredibly sensitive to water. One dose of crap fuel and your engine is toast!. Repair bills from $1000 to $12,000 if all injectors need replacing. Be careful where you fuel up - and perhaps consider getting an aftermarket fuel filter installed.

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