Thread: Stupid question

Originally Posted by dullbird

No dave I'm sorry mate its not ok......this is NOT the only thread you have done it in so having a little joke about the td5 in here once does not make it ok.

you might want to read up on some of the posts Ive put up based on work Ive done on big red alone.

Originally Posted by dullbird

As for the repair work......no one is screaming here that they dont have faults. including the owners....but at least we can talk about them in a constructive manor, even we get negative about our cars BUT no where near as much as you do AND YOU DONT EVEN OWN ONE!!!!!

Theres a very good reason for that. And just to clarify I didnt even want to own (and still dont) a td5 sadly the decision was thrust upon me which would be why my daily driver is still a series III.

Originally Posted by dullbird

And dont come the whole repair thing with me dave the TD5 is not faultless neither was the 300tdi. the 300 had big problems with its timing etc...the td5 big problems with its oil in the harness and there are still disco's out there that can't get rid of the 3 amigo's....

since thats got nothing to do with the engine itself as they havent yet put the puma donk into anything but a shed specifically and exactly what is your point about the three amigos and if you want to play that line why is the deefer the only landy to get the puma lump? why isn't it also in the discos?

Actually in that case I was specifically putting your puma up against either of the rovers at my place but then I'd also do the same for any of the fleet of landies that I've owned with the exception of kermit which had a lot of problems but they were all related to mods I was doing to it.

All this, from a simple question about how it got the name 'Puma'.......

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

you might want to read up on some of the posts Ive put up based on work Ive done on big red alone.



Theres a very good reason for that. And just to clarify I didnt even want to own (and still dont) a td5 sadly the decision was thrust upon me which would be why my daily driver is still a series III.



since thats got nothing to do with the engine itself as they havent yet put the puma donk into anything but a shed specifically and exactly what is your point about the three amigos and if you want to play that line why is the deefer the only landy to get the puma lump? why isn't it also in the discos?

Actually in that case I was specifically putting your puma up against either of the rovers at my place but then I'd also do the same for any of the fleet of landies that I've owned with the exception of kermit which had a lot of problems but they were all related to mods I was doing to it.

you really don't get it do you!!!

goodness me I thought you were a lot brighter than that.....what exactly is your point for arguing with me? that you don't slag off the pumas and your not negative in the Puma threads?

juuuust for poops n giggles...

didnt you turn this one into a slinging match? back here in this http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1068263-post7.html post?

my point is mainly that you're out there saying that I dont sling at other breeds of landy in fact I do and the closest on is in theis very thread.

and if I recall theres a case in another thread where (and Im summating because I really cant be bothered going and digging through the thread and setting up the quotes and the links) some puma owners are telling me that what Im describing happening doesnt actually happen and that since I dont own one how would I know about it (more or less) then someone else comes along and posts a vid of pretty much exactly what I was describing and he owns a puma.

Im actually still trying to work out the relevance of your comment about the three amigos and discos when the fault you're describing is purely to do with discos, has nothing to do with the engine itself and isnt even remotely related to the topic of how the puma engine got its name.

Im also not disagreeing with you that the td5 and other engines dont have faults But then as I said Im perfectly happy to put any of my landrovers up against yours (as previously stated with the exception of kermit) in terms of overall reliability.

you might be getting confused with the comment that was directed to allen about me betting he was wrong. He specifically said that he reconed, no bugger it I'll do a quote for that one

Originally Posted by Allan

and I would bet most would swop a 300tdi or td5 defer for my PUMA right now. By the way they go hard, not a pussey like a 300 or td5 (note small letters small performance)

Allan

and I replied to the effect of

Originally Posted by Me

betcha wrong I wouldnt swap your puma for any of the landies I drive or have driven. and I reckon I know a stack of people the same. If you were talking about giving it away........

Just ask someone like Ron if he'd swap his rangie for your deefer.

the reason why other engines have little letters for their abbreviations is because they dont need FORD **** speak marketing to sell themselves, calling the governor an anti stall device funniest thing Ive seen in years.

in actual fact thats exactly what I wrote indicating that I know a lot of people who wouldnt swap their vehicles a point I can implicate because a lot of people who have td5's have them in discos (and tdi's too) and wouldnt take a puma powered vehicle because its only available in either a transit van which while spacious cant exactly off road with the same finesse as a landy or a defender, which given is more comfortable than a series and has some niceties added to it is, in no way as comfortable or luxusious as say a top spec disc. Theres also the point to be made that a lot of people that have deefers with tdi's and td5's wouldnt swap them because they have put a lot of time and effort into modifying their vehicles in one way or another and have them exactly as they like them. and yes I know the second point has nothing to do with the engine itself its a matter of choice which would be the whole point of making the statement made in the first half of the first paragraph in the quote of my own post that I quoted and the second half infers that if he was talking about giving away his vehicle that I probabley wouldnt mind having it.

Should we extrapolate on that that could be constructed into the argument that I'm not totally opposed to owning a puma powered defender.

questions?

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

juuuust for poops n giggles...

didnt you turn this one into a slinging match? back here in this http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1068263-post7.html post?

No at that point I was having a tease just like you were

my point is mainly that you're out there saying that I dont sling at other breeds of landy in fact I do and the closest on is in theis very thread.

no my point is that you keep coming into threads about pumas and having a go, slag off your own car I couldn't care less but perhaps have some thought about people that are coming on here having just lashed out 56grand and have to read your negative comments..So i will reiterate my main point to you again in regards to not just this post put others knock it off or tone it down......in this comment I didn't say you cant tease I'm asking you to tone it down. wasn't it only the other day I had to ask you and johnr to quit it...as again you were bagging out the puma enough that it upset him to have a go?

and if I recall theres a case in another thread where (and Im summating because I really cant be bothered going and digging through the thread and setting up the quotes and the links) some puma owners are telling me that what Im describing happening doesnt actually happen and that since I dont own one how would I know about it (more or less)

then someone else comes along and posts a vid of pretty much exactly what I was describing and he owns a puma.

yes please drag up all the quotes I would like to see especially if I'm being quoted! As quite often in my case what you may describe might not be what we experience may also not be the same as what another Puma owner experiences so I can quite easily say its not what you describe and if you continue on to want to be right I could also back it up with you dont own one...because you DON'T so everything you go of is theory not experience isn't it!..your theory maybe correct in some instances but dont mock the person with the problem by ramming your theory down their throats and copping the arse when they don't agree with you.

Im actually still trying to work out the relevance of your comment about the three amigos and discos when the fault you're describing is purely to do with discos, has nothing to do with the engine itself and isnt even remotely related to the topic of how the puma engine got its name.

my only point being related to reliability that most of models of the marque have had problems (enough of a porblem that people didn't want to buy them) however the puma has been released for 2 years here yes it has problems and you have gone out of your way to condem the car without giveing the car a real chance to get sorted....but hey thats your opinion, my point being AGAIN don't force it on others especially the ones that dont want to hear it

Im also not disagreeing with you that the td5 and other engines dont have faults But then as I said Im perfectly happy to put any of my landrovers up against yours (as previously stated with the exception of kermit) in terms of overall reliability.
Why I couldn't give two **** if you want to put my car up against yours I'm quite happy with my cars performance, seems like you feel the need to prove something though

you might be getting confused with the comment that was directed to allen about me betting he was wrong. He specifically said that he reconed, no bugger it I'll do a quote for that one



and I replied to the effect of



in actual fact thats exactly what I wrote indicating that I know a lot of people who wouldnt swap their vehicles a point I can implicate because a lot of people who have td5's have them in discos (and tdi's too) and wouldnt take a puma powered vehicle because its only available in either a transit van which while spacious cant exactly off road with the same finesse as a landy or a defender, which given is more comfortable than a series and has some niceties added to it is, in no way as comfortable or luxusious as say a top spec disc. Theres also the point to be made that a lot of people that have deefers with tdi's and td5's wouldnt swap them because they have put a lot of time and effort into modifying their vehicles in one way or another and have them exactly as they like them. and yes I know the second point has nothing to do with the engine itself its a matter of choice which would be the whole point of making the statement made in the first half of the first paragraph in the quote of my own post that I quoted and the second half infers that if he was talking about giving away his vehicle that I probabley wouldnt mind having it.

Should we extrapolate on that that could be constructed into the argument that I'm not totally opposed to owning a puma powered defender.

questions?

I think it is funny Dave as I feel you have totally missed the main point of my gripe in doing so you have gone on this massive tangent which only seems to support the fact that you hate Pumas and why they are crapper then anything else.....thats lovely, not it truly is.
NOW do you think you might be able to refrain from coming into threads about Pumas and being excessively negative....by all means no one is going to have a go at you for being negative if it is back up with being constructive or you have had first hand experience.

IMHO there it is not a faultless of perfect vehicle and that includes the series LR's, Defenders or the Puma.
We are living in a country with freedom of choices and we are fed-up with or existing vehicle there it is nothing to stop us to go and changing it.
I cannot understand the derogative criticism about some vehicles or models but I appreciate the constructive information about their good and bad points,
Regarding the Puma I believe that the owners have made an informative decision when they purchased the vehicle and if they are not happy always can sell it and with the money buy a Td5 and a Tdi300 if thet it is what they want

Originally Posted by spudboy

All this, from a simple question about how it got the name 'Puma'.......

I am a little sorry I asked, but still grateful to be a little more aware...

don't be sorry you asked mate doesn't matter what the topic of the thread it usually happens.....

to be honest it would be interesting to know why they kept with that name....I suppose td4 wsa already taken, (I'm only guessing it could of been called that)
perhps TDCI on the side of the car like where the TD5 id and the TDI is would of cost them to much by putting the extra letter on the sticker