Saving the World with hydrogen just took a step closer

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Originally Posted by BradC

Timely. I was hypothetically talking to someone on the weekend with a "mate" (we've all got one) inside FFI who allegedly said "2024? We'll be lucky to get anything green working by 2027".

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Woodmans point WA might be Brad. A bit of a hiccup with the metal work from China but that should be fixed soon I suspect. You WA crew rock on at that place and some of the biggest in the world apparently[biggrin]
Today a biomass to Hydrogen production announced a 100 million ish float on the US stock market to restart a power plant in NSW [bigwhistle]

"Verdant Earth has progressed plans to undertake a public listing in the United States, kick-starting a process to raise almost $100 million to fund the recommissioning of a New South Wales power station using biomass. Verdant Earth has been developing plans to use the now decommissioned Redbank power station, in Warkworth, with the ultimate goal of producing hydrogen, which it says could be certified as renewable through the use of biomass."

Not suggesting we invest yet as no idea of the costs or ROI on that idea or other ideas! [biggrin] A lot of hot air in the sector as billions floating about in both Government(s) and private equity investments. Note that word INVESTMENT can be loose.

F.M.G. is a interesting case to watch. Mr Forest is dreaming big or going to be??? If your a betting person Shorting is a clue. The F.M.G. short sellers seem to be getting sharply more

Noting 2.5% of capital shorted is not off the planet. Game stop (US) was hugely shorted for example.

The Dog did give up at 10km again sorry. Get that beer in the fridge for me mate[biggrin]

BMW iX5 Hydrogen model nears production for 2022 - Automotive Daily


6kg of hydrogen. Refuel in seconds (IF AVAILABLE )[biggrin] 500km range is a bit low given that bit?

Towing but only a light duty off road car that cost to much for me anyway[biggrin]

2022 short production run by BMW is a starting point. As bits are from Toyota a Hydrogen Landcruiser might beat Landrover to the line? [bawl]

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

BMW iX5 Hydrogen model nears production for 2022 - Automotive Daily

2022 short production run by BMW is a starting point. As bits are from Toyota a Hydrogen Landcruiser might beat Landrover to the line? [bawl]

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LR have said EV doesn’t suit most of their range of vehicles,so it will be interesting to see what they do.

Toyota have been in bed with Yamaha for quite a while now developing hydrogen engines.

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6kg of hydrogen. Refuel in seconds (IF AVAILABLE )[biggrin] 500km range is a bit low given that bit?

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I thought this looked wrong so did a google and this came up.

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1 kg of hydrogen is equal to 1 gallon of gasoline in btu equivalent. MRE electrolyzers require 48 kilowatt hours (KWH) of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen.

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So it will go 500Km on 6 gallons . That IS impressive.
More like 60Kg of Hydrogen methinks. And that would take BIG tanks.
Regards PhilipA
Here is a link of cutaway of a Toyota Mirai
toyota mirai cutaway - Google Search

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

So it will go 500Km on 6 gallons . That IS impressive.

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The Mirai is a fuel cell vehicle. Hydrogen theoretically holds ~33.6KW/h/kg, so that's 201kw/h theoretical. Current best case fuel cell efficiency is about 45% leaving 90kwh.
A Tesla model 3 is rated at 5.1 miles / kw/h by the US EPA, so that'd give you 459 miles or 734km. So not out of the realms of possibility at all.

Now the energy required to *make*, store and transport that 6KG is something else again.

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Originally Posted by BradC

The Mirai is a fuel cell vehicle. Hydrogen theoretically holds ~33.6KW/h/kg, so that's 201kw/h theoretical. Current best case fuel cell efficiency is about 45% leaving 90kwh.
A Tesla model 3 is rated at 5.1 miles / kw/h by the US EPA, so that'd give you 459 miles or 734km. So not out of the realms of possibility at all.

Now the energy required to *make*, store and transport that 6KG is something else again.

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That’s the fun of the colour system..

Blue vs Green [emoji6]

Then there’s the first Hindenburg moment and the tech will disappear.[emoji48]

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Originally Posted by Tombie

That’s the fun of the colour system..

Blue vs Green [emoji6]

Then there’s the first Hindenburg moment and the tech will disappear.[emoji48]

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AFAIK the Hindenburg burnt rather than exploded.

Hindenburg Disaster: Real Zeppelin Explosion Footage (1937) | British Pathe - YouTube

The memorable LNG and LPG incidents were explosions but didn't bring the about the end of either.

There was the LNG ship that blew up in the Atlantic off Africa many years ago and the flash was satellite detected. No one walked (or swam) away from that one.

Was being reported for a week as Sud Efrica testing a nuclear weapon, with appropriate alarm bells.


And years ago there was the LPG semi tanker that blew up one night on the Hume after the driver had got out and stopped traffic beforehand. Was near Killmore, but no one was hurt.

By chance I actually saw the flash of that in the sky from the Bellarine and heard the boom a long time after, and have a newspaper clip with a pic of the tank that is spread nearly flat with wobbly baffle plates pointing skywards.

In any case it seems that a certain amount of premature death is quite acceptable to keep things 'moving along' these days.

cheers, DL

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

I thought this looked wrong so did a google and this came up.


So it will go 500Km on 6 gallons . That IS impressive.
More like 60Kg of Hydrogen methinks. And that would take BIG tanks.
Regards PhilipA
Here is a link of cutaway of a Toyota Mirai
toyota mirai cutaway - Google Search

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"The Mirai is equipped with a set of three light and strong hydrogen tanks made from high quality laminated carbon fibre reinforced plastic. " its compressed at about 280 bar I think. "

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• new Toyota Mirai has increased the world record distance to over 1000 km
• After breaking the record, Mirai was refuelled, ready to go again in only 5 minutes link

the average fuel consumption was 0.55 kg/100km, with Mirai being able to store 5.6 kg of hydrogen.""
Not that Australia has a lot of hydrogen refilling stations yet[biggrin]

The new tanks are soo much better than my steel diving tanks. I wonder if I could? I bet I cannot get one for Air yet sadly. Ligher, stonger and much more AIR capacity- DOH

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The memorable LNG and LPG incidents were explosions but didn't bring the about the end of either.

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I think more tellingly are the tales of oil slicks from tankers and processing plants that barely raised a blip on the tech radar of the petroleum system.
As far as I can tell the oil industry still thrives. This only shows that the level of care that the general population has for disastrous incidents is quite low .. if it exist at all.

Only things that seems to matter is /price/speed of/convenience factor. If they all coalesce into a usable system .. even if it blows half the world to smithereens and causes total global war .. people want it.

Wasn't there a total failure of the gas system here in Vic about 25 years ago, and you didn't have piped gas to your house, let alone LPG for vehicles(at a time when Ford were selling LPG only options for the Falcon too).
At the time I recall people making all sorts of noises on the issue .. Now, ask anyone if they remember that saga ... answer will be 'Oh, yeah, jeez I forgot about that one'.

it seems that 99.9% of the population has very short attention spans, and it seems that the percentage is growing and the span of the attention is getting shorter.

Any mention of a future full scale nuclear meltdown of any systemic hydrogen process is almost certain to be via TikTok, or Instagram or whatever other future 10 second news outlet app that is surely to be the one to have .. and will be forgotten a second later when the next news feed is pushed through.

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The new tanks are soo much better than my steel diving tanks. I wonder if I could? I bet I cannot get one for Air yet sadly. Ligher, stonger and much more AIR capacity- DOH

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Aren't scuba tanks 200 bar?

I recently gave all my gear away, including the aly tank that I emptied beforehand.

DL