EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Tombie

I see the biggest issue of say a D2 conversion would be the need for a hefty GVM increase.

Enough battery to go a good distance would be significant wouldn’t it?

GB:
How heavy are the batteries in the Series? And what’s the overall weight change?

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But which option weighs what?

You can replace the motor with electric and still have the rest of the driveline the same, plus flatteries (would be a lot heavier)

Or my preferred option when someone manufactures it (and someone else other than me pays for it) is throwing out the whole drivetrain and replacing with axles with twin motor units front and rear so full independent drive on each corner.

By my thinking your ditching engine, gearbox/tcase and weight of diff gears and also remember no 100 kilos of fuel + jerrycans for 4 motors in a straight swap out bolt in assembly. (maybe lighter conversion than retaining old driveline?)

There are a squillion beam axle vehicles out there ripe for converting.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

I see the biggest issue of say a D2 conversion would be the need for a hefty GVM increase.

Enough battery to go a good distance would be significant wouldn’t it?

GB:
How heavy are the batteries in the Series? And what’s the overall weight change?

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My series conversion is 60kg lighter than before ( measured with full tank), the 28kwh LFP batteries are 256kg .
I average 32kwh / 100km so clearly only good as a local runabout.

Batteries have got better power density since I built mine, there's a guy building a Series using 16xLG 43PS modules giving 42kwh and only weigh 168kg but we have a long way to go , but on this trajectory it wont be long.

GAUSSIN Presents World’s First Hydrogen Racing Truck For 2022 Dakar Rally In January

Don.

I saw a hydrogen last week then a new Lexus UX today when out walking today. It must be a pre release lexus or import from japan as not for sale here today I thought?

Discover the UX 300e | Lexus

https://www.mynrma.com.au/-/media/20...5A9376BA15E3B1
Oddly looking closely at my quirky MG. The 2022 model has more range and a long range 70kWh battery option giving a 440km range. Claiming "MG ZS EV overseas, increasing driving range by up to 67 per cent" Interesting as its in the same base as the current one so just might be able to be fitted to mine. I could sell the 42kWh battery in the car now or use it at work in my UPS or for time shifting at home with my Solar to night time?? A little tricky as it has a 8 year warranty to consider[wink11]



RACV list of 2021 is about to land if not already here

Non are 4wd Land rover replacements yet.

Melb- Port fairy- PF to Warrnabool three times return for Chemo, Physio, Ultrasound......... maxed out for other peoples medical appointments. and back to Melb 2am this morning.

Freebie charging here in Melb and paid $15 and $16 both at Torquay and a little bit of free 'slow stuff' in Warnambool. I would be thrilled IF I could pay at Colac. four big empty super charges there would have saved an hour for me. :( its a bit off that that brand can and so use any charger yet they have some exclusive rights to charge there customers at 'special spots' [bigwhistle]

Apparently I can yet doing so is far from straight forward. I created an account for me which only tried selling me a car and then logged on as my wife and pushing the CHARGE icon opened her charge point a here in Melbourne not giving me any sparks in Colac[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

Calling the sales man for that company who sold my wife's car to here with my help :)

I didn't realise the Moke was still being made in the UK by Moke International , and now they've produced an electric version. I wonder if it will get here? I had an early Californian Moke in my younger days. (1100cc engine), and I loved it.
The Genuine MOKE(R) | Steer clear of imitations | MOKE(R) | Living the dream | Since 1964
Don

this is interesting in the EV area. Toyota
"Toyota Motor Company plans to launch 30 EVs by 2030, half of which have been previewed today.

Toyota Motor Co CEO Akio Toyoda hosted a press briefing today on the company’s battery electric vehicle strategies and revealed no fewer than 15 Toyota and Lexus BEVs that it is readying for market launch, in addition to the all-new Toyota bZ4X coming next year"

MOre details needed but the two at the back Left hand side look very 4wd ish to me[biggrin]
Link

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...6&q=60&o=f&l=f

On the USA side two other giants are moving and both are clearly in the Zone of interest

The 2022 CES show in Las Vegas will be very important for Chevrolet. The automaker will unveil the electric version of the Silverado which will be based on a modular platform and will use the company’s Ultium batteries. It will be aimed directly against the Ford F-150 Lightning and the likes in the quickly growing segment of zero-emission trucks. And according to GM’s boss, it will be unmatched on the market.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...6&q=60&o=f&l=f

to top this news day off

"https://www.aulro.com/afvb/{"default...t&l=f"}}=Fox News lurches further to the right as midterm elections loom



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/{"default...y=915"}}=Falling tree kills woman in Sydney storms



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/image/png...AASUVORK5CYII=GM has officially started sending its Hummer EV Edition 1 pickup trucks out of the factory and into the driveways of customers, according to a press release on the company’s website. Built on the Ultium platform, the Hummer EV Edition 1 model comes with a hefty $110,295 price tag, along with up to 1,000 horsepower, 11,500 lb-ft of torque, and an estimated 329-mile range."

ugly as I think[thumbsupbig]

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...6&q=60&o=f&l=f

2022 and 2023 will show whether people will actually buy EVs , after the early adopters have been satisfied.
New model releases usually have a Halo effect for up to a year.
Regards PhilipA

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

2022 and 2023 will show whether people will actually buy EVs , after the early adopters have been satisfied.
New model releases usually have a Halo effect for up to a year.
Regards PhilipA

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Its all about cost and even more importantantly refuel/recharge access for BEV or FCEV Phillip. It is very clear the Total Cost of Ownership has shifted significantly with running cost savings making even a higher initial purchase price making sense

RACQ puts our Landrovers and people moves more expensive on a Monthly and Yearly cost already?

My El cheapo MG short range just might be a little below the AVG costs assumed? It is below capability on range and NO towing as well.

Boat for XMAS is putting the EV in the garage and Disco back on the road regardless. The seven seats also needed. Of interest perhaps was a chat with the Nissan/mg dealer last week. No new stock coming into Australia until at least July 2022! It seem mine was one of the last in. The same seem to have happened with Volvo Xc40bev. Just here and already sold out apparently "The first allocation of XC40 Recharge models were sold out in Australia within days of its launch, with 131 all-electric models out of the total 360 XC40s allocated in Australia." link

131 is not a huge volume I suppose? Interestingly the stated record of "MG ZS EV (169) and the Porsche Taycan (161)." (launch month sales in link above)

Have a great day

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

ugly as I think[thumbsupbig]

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Yep, but the ugh-mericans will love it.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

RACQ puts our Landrovers and people moves more expensive on a Monthly and Yearly cost already?

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I was over at the folks on the weekend and Dad mentioned this. My brother was there (he owns a Prado, as do all his mates - but they call them a 'cruiser') also. Dad has a 200 series. They both pointed out the maintenance cost on the D3 compared to theirs and the latest RACQ blurb.

My brother's "cruiser" now looks like a dragster because he had a "GVM upgrade" done, and it's 100mm higher in the back than it was, and 25mm higher in the front. The suspension guy suggested he put 300kg in the boot while he's not towing to level it out but it will still give a rougher ride. My old man spent >$2k on an electronics package upgrade plus more crap on his 200.

I asked them what annoyed them about their cars (aside from the engine noise, wind noise and tractor'ish ride) and they both trotted out a list. I pointed out :

• I don't need the "GVM upgrade"
• My headlights don't need aligning every time I put the van on the back
• I don't need to fart around with the jockey wheel on the van because the suspension does it for me
• I have an order of magnitude less wind and engine noise
• They both routinely comment they love my car because it's quiet and comfortable
• It has rear seats that comfortably seat 2 adults
• Plenty of luggage room
• I don't need to swing my spare out to open the tailgate
• I can fit in any underground carpark
• I don't and didn't have to fit bright yellow aftermarket "recovery points" to the chassis
• It doesn't have hemorrhoids hanging off the back bumper because when I'm not towing the tow bar takes 10 seconds to remove
• It does cost me more to maintain, but that's because I do all the preventative maintenance stuff up-front
• I haven't needed to be snatch recovered on the beach because it drives nicely in sand even with road tyres
• Nothing annoys me. I can have a conversation with the wife and kids with the van on the back going up hill with it pegged in 3rd gear.

That sorted that.

To at least nod to the topic, When they bring out a comparable EV with a range of > 600KM fully loaded, in 42 degree heat with a van on the back I might consider it.