Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by scarry

DId you notice the brand?

I still think once the Japs and Koreans start manufacturing them,in huge numbers,if they ever do,their reliability will be way ahead of Tesla and the other pretenders.

The Japs are not stupid,look at Toyota's current dominance in the world new vehicle market,they obviously know the market better than any one else.
Other Japanese and Korean manufacturers are not far behind.

Although… Toyotas dominance is being challenged by, of all brands, Volkswagen.

On pure revenue the People’s Car is outstripping Toyota.

Toyotas 2 primary markets are Home and USA. Currently they are being ‘hunted’ by US domestic brands and losing just a little ground each year.

It will be interesting to see how these players all go in the developing market.

I’m not convinced of any EV benefits to the planet or the average punter. I think the early adopters are having a bit of a win purely due to shorter term gain. There is no way this trend will continue as power prices skyrocket, taxes will be imposed to cover lost excises and infrastructure costs start getting shared.


Meanwhile, another trip to Adelaide confirms that EVs are currently metro only solutions for day to day use. Sure with very careful planning they may make the occasional, very relaxed, long range travel. Today though - 42°c, full AC blasting would have made the journey impossible to complete in under 5 hours (it’s 378km plus any ‘in town’ side trips)

Originally Posted by Narangga

I rest my case Your Honour!

Not so fast, my learned friend. I take it you read this?

Toyota Chief Says ‘Silent Majority’ Has Doubts About Pursuing Only EVs - WSJ

Toyota are in a position where they can easily keep a foot in both camps. They are most definitely NOT doing a VW and putting all their eggs in the EV basket. Personally, I'd take an article from a biased org such as EV Central with a pinch of salt. Do you seriously believe that Toyota gives a fig about what a corrupt enterprise such as Green Peas thinks?

Originally Posted by Tins

Not so fast, my learned friend. I take it you read this?

Toyota Chief Says ‘Silent Majority’ Has Doubts About Pursuing Only EVs - WSJ

Toyota are in a position where they can easily keep a foot in both camps. They are most definitely NOT doing a VW and putting all their eggs in the EV basket. Personally, I'd take an article from a biased org such as EV Central with a pinch of salt. Do you seriously believe that Toyota gives a fig about what a corrupt enterprise such as Green Peas thinks?

I have the same opinion of the WSJ - but I agree that Mr Toyoda does have two feet, which is what my quoting of the EV Central article intended.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Although… Toyotas dominance is being challenged by, of all brands, Volkswagen.

On pure revenue the People’s Car is outstripping Toyota.

Toyotas 2 primary markets are Home and USA. Currently they are being ‘hunted’ by US domestic brands and losing just a little ground each year.

It will be interesting to see how these players all go in the developing market.

I’m not convinced of any EV benefits to the planet or the average punter. I think the early adopters are having a bit of a win purely due to shorter term gain. There is no way this trend will continue as power prices skyrocket, taxes will be imposed to cover lost excises and infrastructure costs start getting shared.


Meanwhile, another trip to Adelaide confirms that EVs are currently metro only solutions for day to day use. Sure with very careful planning they may make the occasional, very relaxed, long range travel. Today though - 42°c, full AC blasting would have made the journey impossible to complete in under 5 hours (it’s 378km plus any ‘in town’ side trips)

I would say challenged by 'Volkswagen Group' - which encompasses 10 brands overall I think compared to Toyota which is basically Toyota and Lexus. If you take just actual badged VW's it's not even close but as a global OEM then yes, they are pulling away from Toyota.

Originally Posted by Tins

Not so fast, my learned friend. I take it you read this?

Toyota Chief Says ‘Silent Majority’ Has Doubts About Pursuing Only EVs - WSJ

Toyota are in a position where they can easily keep a foot in both camps. They are most definitely NOT doing a VW and putting all their eggs in the EV basket. Personally, I'd take an article from a biased org such as EV Central with a pinch of salt. Do you seriously believe that Toyota gives a fig about what a corrupt enterprise such as Green Peas thinks?

Having a foot in all camps for Toyota John? Its Pirus hybrid was a fist of kind really, The hydrogen is clearly a small sales volume at present yet again a first. ICE development and some very quiet solid state battery with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ spent already

"https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota...y-2025-report/" vehicle range is on track to adopt solid-state battery technology by 2025, according to the Japanese marque's Chief Scientist and Research Centre CEO Gill Pratt. "

It always is a few years away

The quirky car I have was paid for by hype plus on a solid state SPAC which may be a 2025 at scale option. "QuantumScape expects commercial production from 2025" NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE!

Samsung dito and Home - Solid Power.

A rumour or specualtion that Tojo will buy out Panasonic for the battery wars seems more than possibility.

As always devil is in the details "Toyota and research partner Panasonic currently have the lead in patents related to the technology, Nikkei Asia reported Thursday. Along with Tokyo-based research firm Patent Consult, Nikkei studied patent applications for solid-state battery tech in ten countries and territories filed from 2000 through the end of March of this year.

Toyota was the clear leader with 1,331 known patents, followed by Panasonic with 445 patents. In comparison, the third-place company—Idemitsu Kosan—holds 272 patents, according to the report.

"


It a mad world in the batty battery sector with trillions spent to date!

Just as an aside, the Tesla 3 is now the highest selling medium sized sedan in Australia (outright not the EV sector) replacing the 20 year reign of the Toyota Camry.

As someone I think on here recently pointed out Tesla has umpteen thousand at grass in China while there is a six month wait for Camrys.

Those mugs who took delivery of model 3s then , must be seething at the price reduction this month! This was worldwide .
Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by Narangga

Meaning?

Tesla SUV. Not for off road use.