Thread: EV general discussion

Going to be Glut of ICE cars on the market very soon

Legacy auto faces disaster in China with unsellable cars as pollution crunch looms

Originally Posted by goingbush

My wife bought a new ICE Renault Craptur in 2015 for about 28K , 7 year warranty is up and its not even done 15,000 km . Its current book value is $7,000 - $12,000 , Thats de-rated by about 75%

I’m talking power output / range.

Can see where you’re going!

Originally Posted by Tombie

When Apple started limiting battery life as you describe the public screamed blue bloody murder!

If my ICE vehicle de-rated 5% in 75,000km I’d be furious.

For sure you would be furious - that is because an ICE is not powered by a lithium battery. But you know that - you are just mocking EV’s.

It would be the same as me saying EV owners would be furious if they were only offered a 100,000km warranty if they had a motor that is prone to catastrophic failure.

Another viewpoint on expected battery life collected from real data gathered from 15,000 EV owners.

New Study: How Long Do Electric Car Batteries Last?

All the data points to an expected 15-20 year useable life for EV batteries. As always, there will be outliers that fail early - but there are steps that can be easily taken to maximise the battery life.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

For sure you would be furious - that is because an ICE is not powered by a lithium battery. But you know that - you are just mocking EV’s.

It would be the same as me saying EV owners would be furious if they were only offered a 100,000km warranty if they had a motor that is prone to catastrophic failure.

Not at all.

With EV tech, it’s tough enough to get an accurate and predictable range as it is. I certainly cannot accept a further range reduction as the vehicle ages.

Imagine buying anything that becomes 25% less useful in a few years. Depreciation is different, loss of functionality is a very different matter - and as such, really, these products should be discounted accordingly.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

Another viewpoint on expected battery life collected from real data gathered from 15,000 EV owners.

New Study: How Long Do Electric Car Batteries Last?

All the data points to an expected 15-20 year useable life for EV batteries. As always, there will be outliers that fail early - but there are steps that can be easily taken to maximise the battery life.

The warranties are awful…

Guaranteed to retain 70% of capacity for 8 years

That equates to a loss of 180km on a 600km rated EV.
That would make “my” EV unable to do the most simple and common of trips.
And there would be nothing I could do about it as it’s within “spec”.


The seeming acceptance of people of this ****house, sub-standard (current) product type because “I won’t need all of it” is insane.

Tombie - just because the technology (or warranties) won’t work for you, doesn’t mean it can’t work for the millions of cars on our roads that don’t need the range. I suspect there are plenty of top selling ICE’s that would not be practical for you as well, or last long if used like you need. But for most people their car usage is nothing like yours or most on this forum.

My wife’s car never does more than 60km in a single day and there would be millions like this. All perfect candidates for an EV that can be used for 15+ years in the 20-80% battery capacity range and never be impacted by battery degradation because the full 100% range is never needed or used. The more important number that most cars need in cities is the 20% capacity range. An EV with a 250-300km range is all that most city runabouts need.

Eventually EV batteries will either just be another consumable - like tyres - you get the best performance when new and replace when worn, or we will get solid state batteries that see minimal battery degradation with double the energy intensity and range available today.

The future for EV’s is looking very promising and we are within a decade of seeing some big changes. The mass produced EV’s of today are starting the same technological shift that the horseless carriages made over 100 years ago.

But right now, an EV for the wife, and a 5.0V8 D4 or V8SC RRS for me would be the best of both worlds (the D3 is safe for now - although it may become a candidate for a twin motor EV conversion one day when the TDV6 reaches the end of its expected life).

Originally Posted by Tombie

The warranties are awful…

Guaranteed to retain 70% of capacity for 8 years

That equates to a loss of 180km on a 600km rated EV.
That would make “my” EV unable to do the most simple and common of trips.
And there would be nothing I could do about it as it’s within “spec”.


The seeming acceptance of people of this ****house, sub-standard (current) product type because “I won’t need all of it” is insane.

The thing is it's not happening though. People are not seeing anything like this in real life. Apart from the owners of Nissan Leafs that is.

Yes the warranties aren't the best but this is not an EV only thing.